Colonial Portuguese – who made this list???

[Scrumpy]

Can't wait till we see Pippo's version of the Fog(N) Portuguese list ! lol

[pippohispano]

Can't wait till we see Pippo's version of the Fog(N) Portuguese list ! lol

Fog(N) = FoG Naps?

I'm sure that list will be historical, at least because there's a lot of information about the Portuguese army of those ages (and even some Osprey books as well).

Anyway, I'm also sure this time nobody will complain if the Caçadores are classified as equals to the 95th Rifles!

[pippohispano]

After much study, lots of work and brainstorming, here's the final list for the Portuguese Colonials.
It's as historical and accurate as it can be, it´s based upon the best sources available so going further than that it's beyond my knowledge.

Since I don't know how to insert a gridline here, I hope you understand the list that follows.

Once more, I would like to thank Jeff for his help in solving some tricky questions.


Colonial Portuguese

Territory Types: Agricultural, Tropical, Hilly


Core troops
Fidalgos and veterans: 0-24 bases (0-16 in Brazil)

Only before 1540 Warriors Unarmoured Superior Crossbow Impact Foot Swordsmen 0 -1/2
Any date Warriors Unarmoured Superior Arquebus Impact Foot Swordsmen 0 -all
Only from 1610 Warriors Unarmoured Superior Musket* Impact Foot Swordsmen 0 -all

Soldados: 16-100 bases
Only before 1540 Warriors Unarmoured Average Crossbow Impact Foot Swordsmen 0 -1/2
Any date Warriors Unarmoured Average Arquebus Impact Foot Swordsmen 0 -all
Only from 1610 Warriors Unarmoured Average Musket* Impact Foot Swordsmen up to 1/2
Only from 1610 MF Unarmoured Average Musket 0 -all

Optional troops

Casados, topazes and freed slaves: 0-24 bases
Warriors Unarmoured Average/Poor Arquebus
OR
LF Unarmoured Average Arquebus


Drunken black slaves (Macau 1622): 0-8 bases
Warriors Unarmoured Average Arquebus Impact Foot

“Civilized” Brazilian Indians: 0-24 bases (the total includes Indian and Negro Terços)
Warriors Unarmoured Average
Bow* Impact Foot Heavy Weapon ½ or all + Bow* Impact Foot ½ or 0
OR
Impact Foot Heavy Weapon ½ or all + Arquebus Impact Foot ½ or 0
OR
LF Unarmoured Average Bow
OR
LF Unarmoured Average Arquebus

Indian and Negro Terços (Brazil from 1645)
MF Unarmoured Average Musket Impact Foot

Half pike militia (Brazil, fom 1635): 0-12
MF Unarmoured Poor Spearmen Spearmen

Portuguese Terços
Brazil from 1625 to 1630: Average Late Tercio (0-18 bases)
Brazil from 1631: up to two Average Pike&Shot formations (0-12 bases) AND/OR up to two Average MF Unarmoured Average Musket formations (0-12 bases), with an allowed total of up to 18 bases

Cavalry (Brazil from 1645)
Cavalry Unarmoured Average Carbine Swordsmen 0-8 bases (each BG ranging from 2-4 bases)

Artillery (0-5 bases)
Portable Artillery
Regimental guns Superior/Average, 1 per Fidalgos or Soldados BG 0-3 bases
Light guns/Medium guns/Heavy guns 0-4 bases

Warships 0-1

Portable Defences 0-12

Allies
Indian allies (in India and Ceylon) – Hindu Indian
East African allies (only in East Africa) – Zanj or Horn of Africa
Tupi allies (only in Brazil) – Tupi - see FOGR Companion 6: Cities of Gold
Moluccan allies (only in Indonesia before 1606) – Indonesian or Malaccan

Special Campaigns
Bahia in 1625
One (1) Neapolitan Tercio Average LT
One or two (2) Spanish Tercios Average/Superior LT
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[Scrumpy]

Will this list be seen as the official list via an errata ? Or should we plan on facing the published list ?

I applaud your efforts Pippo, but wonder if this will be become official outside of Portugal.

[pippohispano]

Will this list be seen as the official list via an errata ? Or should we plan on facing the published list ?

I applaud your efforts Pippo, but wonder if this will be become official outside of Portugal.

Thanks!

As for your question... well, I would like to see this list turned into an official one, via an errata (why not?), but I guess that's up to Slitherine's.

Best regards, and good games.

[Scrumpy]

Always good games, especially when I face Jeff & his dice of doom...

[pippohispano]

Poor Jeff! ... But actually, I shouldn't be laughing... that sounds like me playing dice...

[waldo]

This list seems to have far too many Portuguese and not enough native troops, at least for the armies in Ceylon. Is one Hindu ally the best representation?

Walter

[pippohispano]

Yes Walter, an Hindu ally would be the best representation (btw, the Sinhalese are not hindu but buddhist, only the Tamil are hindu).

To be accurate, in terms of numbers a Portuguese army in Ceylon would comprise 70 or 80% of natives (to say the least), the rest being Portuguese proper. Only in a few ocasions was a Portuguese force composed exclusively bt Portuguese soldiers. But since it would be awkward to put a bracket and say that in Ceylon the list allows only a certain percentage of "Portuguese" troops, the ally is the best option.

[jefritrout]

I didn't post about this yet, but I found a relatively similar list to Pippo's portuguese list for the Sugar Wars in Brasil from 1640-1654. The Scots Jacobite Rebellion. The funny thing is that the items that people seem to not like about Pippo's list is included in the Scots. Lots of Musket*/Impact Foot/Swords. Granted with one 1 P&S unit and two tiny cavlary units it makes it a real challenge. Fortunately at Cold Wars I managed to get rather good terrain die rolls and thus was able to do well. I finished 2nd out of 16 players.

In reference to Walter's question and Pippo's last post, next we need to work on a Portuguese ally list to use with the "Hindu" (Buddhist) Indian list.

[pippohispano]

Cheers, Jeffrey. So, it seems that my list is not that awkward after all!

The Portuguese ally list is quite simple: gun-armed infantry and a couple of light or medium guns. Nothing more was used and nothing more would be requested. The only peculiarity is that in the East Indian Ocean (Bangala, for instance), the Portuguese presence had an higher percentage of "casados" vis a vis soldiers, therefore any reinforcements not officially sponsored would have large numbers of armed civilians.

By the way, for those who may be interested in the subject (and command the Portuguese language), René Chartrand has just published "O BRASIL COLONIAL TROPAS E UNIFORMES 1500-1822"(Fronteira do Caos). 168 pages full of high quality military History.

http://www.fronteiradocaoseditores.pt/simperio.php

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