Hellenitic Greek allies

[rulethechaos]

Page 54 point 4 in the immortal fire book says:
An allied general's contingent must conform to the Hellenistic Greek allies list below, buit the troops in the contigent are deducted from the minima and maxima in the main list.

What does this exectly mean?

1. Does it mean that the number of units in the main list and the allied contingent added together may not exceed the maxima in the main list?
2. Does it mean that the minima listed in the allies list, can be fulfilled through unit in the main list?
3. Is it possible to fulfill the minima of the main list via the allied contingent? For example: can the only cavalry i take, be from the allied contingent?

Thanks for the help

[ravenflight]

Page 54 point 4 in the immortal fire book says:
An allied general's contingent must conform to the Hellenistic Greek allies list below, buit the troops in the contigent are deducted from the minima and maxima in the main list.

What does this exectly mean?

1. Does it mean that the number of units in the main list and the allied contingent added together may not exceed the maxima in the main list?
2. Does it mean that the minima listed in the allies list, can be fulfilled through unit in the main list?
3. Is it possible to fulfill the minima of the main list via the allied contingent? For example: can the only cavalry i take, be from the allied contingent?

Thanks for the help

Ok, to make it clear, look at the Archers.

You can have 0-8 in the main list. You can also have 3 allies. Each ally can have 0-4 archers.

This means you cannot have all three with 4 archers because the maximum in the main list is 8. Two of the allies could have 4 archers, but that would mean the third ally or the CinC's command wouldn't be able to have archers.

It basically stops you being able to cherry pick.

[rulethechaos]

thanks
this answers my first question, but not the 2. and the 3.
can someone else help me with them?

[ravenflight]

thanks
this answers my first question, but not the 2. and the 3.
can someone else help me with them?

I believe that you can. Basically, so long as you have the minima in your army somewhere, and don't exceed your maxima then yes.

So you COULD have C-in-C with nothing but optional troops, so long as your allies made up the minima of the overall list.

I might be wrong with this, but I believe that's true.

[grahambriggs]

Page 54 point 4 in the immortal fire book says:
An allied general's contingent must conform to the Hellenistic Greek allies list below, buit the troops in the contigent are deducted from the minima and maxima in the main list.

What does this exectly mean?

1. Does it mean that the number of units in the main list and the allied contingent added together may not exceed the maxima in the main list?
2. Does it mean that the minima listed in the allies list, can be fulfilled through unit in the main list?
3. Is it possible to fulfill the minima of the main list via the allied contingent? For example: can the only cavalry i take, be from the allied contingent?

Thanks for the help

Yes to all three.

I don't have that list here so will have to give a generic answer.

Say that you have a troop type in the main list that has 8-24 bases.

and that you take 8 bases of that troop type in the allied contingent

So, deducting from the minimum and maximum:

Minimum = 8 bases - 8, so zero bases.

Maximum = 24 bases - 8 = 16 bases.

So having taken that trrop type in an ally you don't have to take any more, but could take up to 16 bases.

The thinking behind this is that an army of HG ally contingents would not have been much different in troop proportions from one without allies. It's just that the first might be the army of a small league of allies, the latter a larger city state.

[rulethechaos]

thx

[IanP]

1 and 3 I'd say yes.

Not certain about 2, don't have the book in front of me, but I think that each allied contingent would have to meet the minimas for an ally.
Would have to read the exact wording again however.

[grahambriggs]

1 and 3 I'd say yes.

Not certain about 2, don't have the book in front of me, but I think that each allied contingent would have to meet the minimas for an ally.
Would have to read the exact wording again however.

Yes, the ally must have the minimum nubers of bases specified in the allied list. But thos bases come off of the minima in the main list.

[rulethechaos]

So every ally has to have its own unit of Thureophoroi?

[ravenflight]

So every ally has to have its own unit of Thureophoroi?

My reading is:

Each "ALLY" must have 6 Thureophoroi, but the C-in-C need not have one, so long as you have 8 Thureophoroi in your army.

So, presumably you COULD create an army with 1xC-in-C and 1 x Ally General. The ally could have 6 Thureophoroi, which would mean your C-in-C would HAVE to have 6 as well. The minimum Thureophoroi for the army in total is 8. You've used 6 for your ally. You MUST have 2 more, and since the minimum BG size is 6, your C-in-C MUST have 6 -or- you could put 8 in your Ally-General and your C-in-C is off having any in his command.