Queries / Observations on 5.03?

[petedalby]

I had a good read on the train today and over all I think this is the best layout yet. For me it reads well and things are in a logical sequence.

I have a few queries / observations below:

P25 - VMD re-rolls appear to be compulsory? I'm sure they used to be optional? Personally I'd prefer optional so that if Elite / Superior troops roll down and that suits, why have to re-roll?

P66 - MF have a minus 1 on the CT vs. mounted or HF in the open. Shouldn't this apply to LF too?

P67 - A Disr BG must pass a CMT to charge or intercept. This appears to contradict P33?

P67 - What does "a simple move to retire away" look like? It doesn't appear to be defined anywhere?

P72 - Orb. No benefit for being in Orb against shooting?

P84 - Plantations should be included as Cover?

P88 - No Gullies appear in the terrain choice list?

P89 - A few issues in terrain placement. No piece can be placed closer than 4MU contradicts "touching a coast"? Similar issues arise with a River? Surely most terrain features could be combined with a River?

P91 - Do Quality Re-rolls apply to Outflanking March Arrival Tests? Can a flank march arrive on a Coast? No benefit for an IC with a flank march? (Could be an Ally?)

Next game is on Thursday night - any chance of a reply before then?

Cheers

Pete

[rbodleyscott]

Quick replies tonight before bed.

P25 - VMD re-rolls appear to be compulsory? I'm sure they used to be optional? Personally I'd prefer optional so that if Elite / Superior troops roll down and that suits, why have to re-roll?

There are no re-rolls for any VMDs in the latest version. (See the additonal amendments thread no 26.)

P66 - MF have a minus 1 on the CT vs. mounted or HF in the open. Shouldn't this apply to LF too?

Unnecessary. LF get half dice. A principle of the rules design is to avoid "double whammies".

P67 - A Disr BG must pass a CMT to charge or intercept. This appears to contradict P33?

What does it contradict?

P67 - What does "a simple move to retire away" look like? It doesn't appear to be defined anywhere?

It isn't defined. It means what it says e.g. LH can turn 180 and move as a simple move - that would qualify. (You can of course have an enjoyable argument with your oppoenent about it if that floats your boat)

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P72 - Orb.  No benefit for being in Orb against shooting?

Nor penalty either. (Why should there be a benefit?)

P84 - Plantations should be included as Cover?

True

P88 - No Gullies appear in the terrain choice list?

They do in the latest version. (Not yet promulgated, before you ask).

P89 - A few issues in terrain placement. No piece can be placed closer than 4MU contradicts "touching a coast"? Similar issues arise with a River? Surely most terrain features could be combined with a River?

Valid points.

P91 - Do Quality Re-rolls apply to Outflanking March Arrival Tests?

No. As it says in the section on Quality Re-rolls: Re-rolls apply when the rules say they apply. (And therefore, not when they don't)

Can a flank march arrive on a Coast?

No. A coast is impassable terrain for [land] troops - clarified in the latest version. Nothing to stop you arriving on that flank I suppose, but your troops won't be able to get on to the table!

No benefit for an IC with a flank march? (Could be an Ally?)

Allies don't get ICs.
So no flank marching ICs exist.

[petedalby]

Thanks for such a prompt reply Richard.

P67 - A Disr BG must pass a CMT to charge or intercept. This appears to contradict P33?



What does it contradict?

On P33 it says that only Disr non-shock BGs have to pass a CMT. Which is correct?

P67 - What does "a simple move to retire away" look like? It doesn't appear to be defined anywhere?



It isn't defined. It means what it says e.g. LH can turn 180 and move as a simple move - that would qualify. (You can of course have an enjoyable argument with your oppoenent about it if that floats your boat)

No problem with LH but what about say Undrilled MF? It's a prohibited move in the movement chart. Is it now allowed if they are Fragmented?

P72 - Orb. No benefit for being in Orb against shooting?



Nor penalty either. (Why should there be a benefit?)

I'm not sure there should be but as everyone is hunkered down behind their shields I thought they might be less vulnerable to certain types of shooting.

No benefit for an IC with a flank march? (Could be an Ally?)



Allies don't get ICs.
So no flank marching ICs exist.

Okay - I wondered if Philip as IC might get Alexander as an IC SG? Or Bohemond & Tancred in a Sicilian Norman? But if only 1 IC is allowed then clearly it doesn't arise.

Cheers

Pete

[rbodleyscott]

Thanks for such a prompt reply Richard.

P67 - A Disr BG must pass a CMT to charge or intercept. This appears to contradict P33?



What does it contradict?

On P33 it says that only Disr non-shock BGs have to pass a CMT. Which is correct?

Ah I see. It is a fossil. Disrupted shock troops don't have to test.

Will be corrected.

[rbodleyscott]

It isn't defined. It means what it says e.g. LH can turn 180 and move as a simple move - that would qualify. (You can of course have an enjoyable argument with your oppoenent about it if that floats your boat)

No problem with LH but what about say Undrilled MF? It's a prohibited move in the movement chart. Is it now allowed if they are Fragmented?

You mistake me. The rule is restrictive not permissive. If the retiral isn't simple they cannot do it.