Windowed

El_Condoro · Post by **El_Condoro** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:50 am

When I check on the option I can see that PzC is in a window, can see the Start Bar (XP) and can move the window if I drag on the sidebar on the right of the screen. Am I supposed to be able to size the window, because I can't figure out how to.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:14 am

I too am having difficulties with the window mode.
I can resize in the main menu. But I can't move it around.
When I left the main menu, the windows reset to a full size even having resize it in the main menu. I can then move the window, but like El Condoro cannot resize it, only when it's in the main menu.

So to summarize:
I can't resize outside main menu and can't drag/move it in main menu.

lordzimoa · Post by **lordzimoa** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:16 am

You can resize the window, just left click and hold the borders of the window with your mouse and you see a double direction arrow to resize the window.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:22 am

How? I've tried more than once.

Edit: I've tried that Tim. Only on the main menu. Not when playing or in any other screen.

EuroBoss · Post by **EuroBoss** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:17 pm

I have the same problem i can resize the screen but cannot drag it around on the desktop?

lordzimoa · Post by **lordzimoa** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:21 pm

I don`t think you can drag, if that is desired Alex will have to check it.

EuroBoss · Post by **EuroBoss** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:38 pm

lordzimoa wrote:I don`t think you can drag, if that is desired Alex will have to check it.

I don't know about anybody else but it sure would be handy crosses fingers.

El_Condoro · Post by **El_Condoro** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:15 pm

The window can be dragged by putting the mouse in the bottom right of the screen (large grey area) and dragging. It won't allow the window to be dragged up, but it can be dragged left and right. No resize as far as I can see.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:53 pm

You should be able to grab any of the four borders with the mouse and move them, thsu getting the desired window size and position. If this does not work for anyone, please let me know.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:18 pm

In my case it only happens with XP. With Win7, I can resize and drag the window when playing. However I can't drag the window when I'm in the Main menu in both systems.

I've tried in two different PCs, with different hardware, and when I boot with XP I can never resize the window when playing

El_Condoro · Post by **El_Condoro** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:11 pm

Rudankort wrote:If this does not work for anyone, please let me know

I use XP SP3 and cannot resize the window.

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:48 am

I am using Windows 7 64bit.

Moving and resizing the window works, to move it I click the grey area of the right UI bar.

It is working!

But like Xerkis and others I think it is a bit awkward. The usual window bar with _[]X would be nice.
But I guess that's rather tricky to code I assume otherwise it would be in already.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:24 pm

I'm really not liking the new windowed mode. Even when window mode is off, certain menu and screens are still stuck in windowed mode. Opening video, main screen, and scenario selection, for example.
Windows XP.

Xerkis · Post by **Xerkis** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:40 pm

Installed Beta3.....

Still issues with the Window option.

Mouse pointer gets stuck within the window. Have the game in window mode and try to mouse to something outside of the window and it doesn’t leave. Just stays at the edges of the window.

Also, still no minimize or maximize buttons. You can maximize by double clicking on top edge of window and then restore to original size by double clicking again. But no way to minimize window – and since the mouse can’t leave the window, can’t get to desktop or other applications. I don’t see much point of a window if you can’t do that.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:08 pm

Xerkis wrote:Mouse pointer gets stuck within the window. Have the game in window mode and try to mouse to something outside of the window and it doesn’t leave. Just stays at the edges of the window.

This is by design. Scrolling is done by moving mouse next to window edge, so the game helps you to do this. You can always Alt-Tab out of the window if you need.

Xerkis wrote:Also, still no minimize or maximize buttons. You can maximize by double clicking on top edge of window and then restore to original size by double clicking again. But no way to minimize window – and since the mouse can’t leave the window, can’t get to desktop or other applications. I don’t see much point of a window if you can’t do that.

Alas, with existing game architecture it is next to impossible to do a proper window with titlebar and all the buttons there. In fact, even existing implementation took so much effort to implement that I often ask myself if it was worth all the trouble. I'm tempted to disable window mode until the game is properly refactored (which will happen when we set to porting it to other platforms).

Xerkis · Post by **Xerkis** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:25 pm

Rudankort wrote:
Xerkis wrote:Mouse pointer gets stuck within the window. Have the game in window mode and try to mouse to something outside of the window and it doesn’t leave. Just stays at the edges of the window.
This is by design. Scrolling is done by moving mouse next to window edge, so the game helps you to do this. You can always Alt-Tab out of the window if you need.

Like I said - not much point to a window then. I can alt-tab with it not in window mode

Rudankort wrote:
Xerkis wrote:Also, still no minimize or maximize buttons. You can maximize by double clicking on top edge of window and then restore to original size by double clicking again. But no way to minimize window – and since the mouse can’t leave the window, can’t get to desktop or other applications. I don’t see much point of a window if you can’t do that.

Alas, with existing game architecture it is next to impossible to do a proper window with titlebar and all the buttons there. In fact, even existing implementation took so much effort to implement that I often ask myself if it was worth all the trouble. I'm tempted to disable window mode until the game is properly refactored (which will happen when we set to porting it to other platforms).

I think I will just run it without the window mode. I find the window mode more annoying than helpful.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:33 pm

Xerkis wrote:I think I will just run it without the window mode. I find the window mode more annoying than helpful.

Adam Jensen, what do you think of windowed mode?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Unl-UZ1Fjg

lols

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:58 pm

Xerkis wrote:Like I said - not much point to a window then.

Window mode is a feature that all people use differently. For example, it enables you to stretch the battlefield across two or more monitors and see more map at a time, something not possible in fullscreen mode. But yes, if it is not useful to you personally, you have an option to turn it off. Always good to have a choice.

Xerkis · Post by **Xerkis** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:15 pm

@ Kerensky: very funny indeed.

@Rudankort: very true. Window mode wasn’t ever a “must have” for me – perhaps a “would be nice” but nothing more. I play on my laptop (way smaller viewing area than 2 screens)

So I always play in full screen mode anyhow.

Just didn’t want to see you release the 1.01 patch, and then someone mentions it, and you all say, “Now why didn’t any of the Beta testers ever catch this one before we released it?”

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:26 am

Here is someone who asked for the windowed mode.

It's an amazing thing to have. It better utilizes the size of large monitors and allows to run the game in the background.
Sure you can ALT-TAB and use two monitors but it isn't close to just minimizing the window.
Panzer General Forever runs in a similar windowed mode and while it is lacking the usual window bar it is a very nice and useful mode.

Hint: just click the grey ui bar to drag and drop the window and your mouse cursor gets "unstuck" of the Panzer Corps window.

The question is if the current form of windowed mode is acceptable. It's working flawlessly on Windows 7 and while it takes some time to get used to this mode - it isn't behaving like the usual program window - it's nevertheless a nice feature to have.

Also think of the future, window modes for games become more and more common and the whole UI of the OS is supporting it. Windows 8 apparently even more so than Win7 and previous Windows versions.