Which difficulty level are you playing on.

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:14 pm

Playing the random seed with saving/reloading like that isn't cheating to you?

Korrigan · Post by **Korrigan** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:22 pm

Longasc wrote:Playing the random seed with saving/reloading like that isn't cheating to you?

But if I'd made identical turns and just had "luck" with my attacks it'd would be ok, right?

starbird · Post by **starbird** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:58 pm

First of lying, then of cheating? Those are very serious personality accusations.

The way I see it, all the man did was to reply a thread, offer some feedbacks and play the way he likes.
As far as reloading is concerned, I'm sure everyone does so, to a certain degree.

So... Chill & Cheers everyone, for we share interests in the same game.

OxfordGuy3 · Post by **OxfordGuy3** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:19 am

I started off playing the '39 campaign on colonel, got as far as the Low Countries, then decided to start again on Field Marshall for more of a challenge!

WabeWalker · Post by **WabeWalker** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:25 pm

oxford_guy wrote:I started off playing the '39 campaign on colonel, got as far as the Low Countries, then decided to start again on Field Marshall for more of a challenge!

I think I'm going to do this now too.

If I'm victorious while playing at a certain level of difficulty, and there are higher levels to play at, then I tend to feel like I'm cheating. Maybe I just don't like winning?

aschindler · Post by **aschindler** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:09 am

oxford_guy wrote:I started off playing the '39 campaign on colonel, got as far as the Low Countries, then decided to start again on Field Marshall for more of a challenge!

Yeesh! On the third try I finally got a Decisive victory in Norway on General and had just 1200 prestige to start the Low Counties. That was just enough to heal everyone, over strength my three artillery and buy two Panzer 4's. I still have 5 empty core slots and my only other tanks are Panzer 1's. With all the rivers in the Low Countries and lack of tanks, I was moving really slowly. No way would I get a decisive victory. I'm going to restart on Colonel.

Am I making a mistake in always using elite replacements for my core units? It chews up a lot of prestige, but the alternative would be constantly diluting their experience.

Korrigan · Post by **Korrigan** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:42 am

aschindler wrote:
oxford_guy wrote:I started off playing the '39 campaign on colonel, got as far as the Low Countries, then decided to start again on Field Marshall for more of a challenge!
Yeesh! On the third try I finally got a Decisive victory in Norway on General and had just 1200 prestige to start the Low Counties. That was just enough to heal everyone, over strength my three artillery and buy two Panzer 4's. I still have 5 empty core slots and my only other tanks are Panzer 1's. With all the rivers in the Low Countries and lack of tanks, I was moving really slowly. No way would I get a decisive victory. I'm going to restart on Colonel.

Am I making a mistake in always using elite replacements for my core units? It chews up a lot of prestige, but the alternative would be constantly diluting their experience.

Elite replacements for all your core units are too expensive. You need the prestige for upgrades/new units too. Take a look at what units take damage a lot and think about wheter or not they need elite. Recons are a good example: They take damage easily and often because they are mobile and reach spots where they are exposed. But you dont need their fighting power that badly -> normal replacements if you are low on prestige. On the other hand you have units like stategic/level bombers - if your fighters are doing their job and keeping the skies clear these babies will take damage only occasionaly.

aschindler · Post by **aschindler** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:59 am

Ah, thanks. Restarted with Poland on General difficulty and decided to only to use elites if I had all the core unit slots filled, i.e. priority for prestige goes to units then elites. Turns out I didn't get to use any elite replacements in Poland, but I have all my core slots filled. Got a decisive victory and am now in a better shape going into Norway than I have been in the past.

DreadWing · Post by **DreadWing** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:52 am

aschindler wrote:Ah, thanks. Restarted with Poland on General difficulty and decided to only to use elites if I had all the core unit slots filled, i.e. priority for prestige goes to units then elites. Turns out I didn't get to use any elite replacements in Poland, but I have all my core slots filled. Got a decisive victory and am now in a better shape going into Norway than I have been in the past.

Even when playing on lower difficulty levels, you don't have enough prestige for elite replacements until you score a few Decisive Victories. I think that after the Low Countries or France you will be able to use them without too much trouble. Another thing you can do is to check how much experience a unit loses when using normal replacements. If it loses an experience star by a few points (e.g: xp drops from 134 to 95), then it may be better to use elite. If it doesn't lose an experience star (e.g: xp drops from 180 to 121), then you can go with normal.
You must try to gather as much prestige as possible. Experienced units wreak havoc on the battlefield.

edahl1980 · Post by **edahl1980** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:02 am

I'd say it is cheating if you play a game, and have to save/load because of a bad choice. I never do and my latest campaign went smooth untill east coast America. Here i lost 9 of my core forces.

Oh and i lost the map as well.

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:53 am

aschindler wrote:With all the rivers in the Low Countries and lack of tanks, I was moving really slowly.

If you plan your attack carefully, you only have to cross two rivers in the whole scenario. The first one ist the river up north near your starting point, where you can easily outflank the Netherland units with one bridge engineers unit. The second one is in the south right behind the second city you have to take after the Ardennes. You dont need brigde engineers here, because all enemy units are east of the river and you can get to the artillery with a swift tank strike from north. After this you go West-Nort-West, ignoring the other southern cities, except for the one in South-West, which you have to take.

To Elite Upgrades: Like the others said, a lot of units dont deserve Elite Upgrades because they take damage too often. Like scout units or regular infantry or even my Bf-110.

And let's say one unit can be upgraded regular and the XP loss would be "188 -> 105" I would do it if I'm low on prestige, because you still can have one Elite Upgrade after it to 11.

Furthermore there are allways some units which wont take damage really often like artillery. If you move them carefully, you're profiting from the elite status for a long time without the need to buy costly upgrades. And of course I use overstrength for some of my most important core units like Tiger(II)-Tanks, Pioneers, Grenadiers or fighter units.

Cheers,
Storyteller

Horseman · Post by **Horseman** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:29 am

Since round about france I've used nothing but Elite reinforcements for all my troops, I'm playing on Colonel so prestige may not be as much as a problem as it would be on higher levels but at the end of the day XP really counts and even losing 10 or so per unit per scenario really adds up over time

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:22 pm

Horseman wrote:Since round about france I've used nothing but Elite reinforcements for all my troops, I'm playing on Colonel so prestige may not be as much as a problem as it would be on higher levels but at the end of the day XP really counts and even losing 10 or so per unit per scenario really adds up over time

Until I get past France, I don't use any reinforcements except regulars.
That may be a result of the difficulty levels though.

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:57 am

It depends how much prestige one unit uses. If you are reinforcing tanks you should think twice if they are worth it. On the other hand infantry is rather cheap.

Never reinforce new units with elite replacement. A real waste of prestige. Also sometimes when you are really low on prestige, planes at the deploying phase should be reinforced normal. Since they use most prestige.

On General difficulty if you do it right you have enough prestige to build a strong and experienced core army.

MarsRobert · Post by **MarsRobert** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:37 pm

I play on the normal difficulty level always. You may think the early scenarios are too easy at normal difficulty, but as you've probably since discovered they start getting tough in 41/42 and well nigh impossible by 44. All I can say about the higher difficulty levels is that I'm assuming they would be over-the-top difficult like playing Civ5 on King level or higher. In any event I think honor is satisfied at the normal difficulty level.

WabeWalker · Post by **WabeWalker** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:21 am

MarsRobert wrote:I play on the normal difficulty level always. You may think the early scenarios are too easy at normal difficulty, but as you've probably since discovered they start getting tough in 41/42 and well nigh impossible by 44. All I can say about the higher difficulty levels is that I'm assuming they would be over-the-top difficult like playing Civ5 on King level or higher. In any event I think honor is satisfied at the normal difficulty level.

Your post suggests that you've played through on Field Marshall, but at the same time your post indicates that you haven't?

All I know is that in Panzer General, individual scenarios at the higher levels were impossible, but that they were very possible if you were playing through in the campaign with a well balanced and properly leveled army.

In PG, veteran units were vital. You really had to look after your units. Sometimes, to win a Decisive battle, I would have to sacrifice an experienced unit - it was painful.

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:27 am

At my opinion if you do it right and save prestige the scenarios get easier with an experienced army. So a high difficulty is harder too play at the beginning. Low Countries often give me trouble.

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:22 pm

I am playing the 1939 campaign again, this time on Field Marshal.
You might remember my thread where I asked how I can determine the difficulty of a savegame.

Well, I made sure that I am playing FIELD MARSHAL and guess what... it's not really more difficult so far.

Granted, you get a lot less prestige and less XP. So I played till Sealion 40 right now and mostly used regular reinforcements.
This is actually nice, it prevents uber-5-star units early on. As usual the level bombers are best at gaining XP.

Switching to mostly standard reinforcements didn't take that much time to get used to. In fact I even had more prestige left than in my first Panzer Corps campaign. This can also be attributed to getting back into the game, didn't play PG for a while and PC is still different at times.

I also noticed the AI is more aggressive and going for the kill. But unfortunately even more likely to be aggressive and leave defensive positions!
Infantry leaving the city to attack me? THANK YOU. :>

@Fritz: You won already at Colonel level, don't be afraid to try Field Marshal.
Just go only with free standard replacements during scenarios. You might find the game to be a little different, but not necessarily to be more difficult.

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:37 pm

Well actually I finished Mannoks Campaign on General. I captured US West Coast decisive in 13 of 23 rounds.

So I am up for Field Marshal. I will start a new custom campaign from the scenario section.

Korrigan · Post by **Korrigan** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:08 pm

TigerIII wrote:I'd say it is cheating if you play a game, and have to save/load because of a bad choice. I never do and my latest campaign went smooth untill east coast America. Here i lost 9 of my core forces.

Oh and i lost the map as well.

I did this only for East Coast because it is/was considered impossible...