Mannock's map pack for the Grand campaign

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:18 pm

I have created a map pack (5 maps) for the grand campaign of Panzer Corps. It's five recreated maps from the original Panzer Generals, which weren't included in Panzer Corps. I felt those five maps were lacking and I think it will make the grand campaign a bit more "meaty".

The maps included are Crete, Sevastopol, Kharkov, Dragoon (Anvil in PG) and Market-Garden.

It has been tested and everything should work fine. Report any issues to me.

Note that these maps are for the grand campaign only and aren't balanced for single scenarios nor as MP maps.

Click here to download.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:14 am

Dragoon has 2 deep sea hexes inland. 20,29 for example.

None of the maps implement railroads or train transport, although I suppose that's intentional.
Every scenario should allow at least a few air transports for the German player, most players like to have a few paratroopers in their core.
Scenarios should have per turn prestige injections too.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:40 am

Kharkov 21,4 missing a flag.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:09 am

Kerensky wrote:Dragoon has 2 deep sea hexes inland. 20,29 for example.

No clue how that happened but I fixed it.

Kerensky wrote: None of the maps implement railroads or train transport, although I suppose that's intentional.

None of the scenarios are grand enough to make train transport a reasonable implementation. So yes, it was intentional.

Kerensky wrote: Every scenario should allow at least a few air transports for the German player, most players like to have a few paratroopers in their core.

Regarding Crete and Kharkov I suppose it could be added, but in the other scenarios I feel it's too ahistoric to use airborne drops.

Kerensky wrote: Scenarios should have per turn prestige injections too.

I didn't think of that. What is a "reasonable" amount of prestige? Should it be the same for both sides?

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:09 am

Kerensky wrote:Kharkov 21,4 missing a flag.

That was fixed during beta.

Did you test Beta-Kharkov?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:47 am

My campaign was still using the old version I guess. That flag is fixed in the DL link in this thread.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:55 am

MickMannock wrote:
Kerensky wrote: Scenarios should have per turn prestige injections too.
I didn't think of that. What is a "reasonable" amount of prestige? Should it be the same for both sides?

This question still lingers though. How much prestige should be awarded per turn? I understand it's different depending on year and the layout of the scenario, but are we talking 10, 100 or 1000 prestige points per turn? I need some rough estimate.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:57 am

At least 50, 150ish is best for very late war.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:45 pm

Download link in the first post updated with the latest version of the map pack.

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:01 pm

Thx. I will try it out soon.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:18 am

Fritz wrote:Thx. I will try it out soon.

Great!

For those who've tried it, feel free to post what you thought about it here.

aleader · Post by **aleader** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Call me a moron, but do these maps work as battles in the campaign or are they just maps for use by scenario designers?

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:26 pm

aleader wrote:Call me a moron, but do these maps work as battles in the campaign or are they just maps for use by scenario designers?

They work as battles in the grand campaign.

Refer the info.txt file for installation instruction, when you have downloaded the zip-file (download link located in the first post).

AgentX · Post by **AgentX** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:36 pm

I'm currently on the Low Countries and haven't seen the new maps, yet. What's the campaign path like? Will I be playing all 5 of your new maps? Or, will I only see certain ones based on my path (like the stock campaign)? Maybe you can tell us where your maps fit in within the grand campaign. I opened up the campaign file with Notepad and it's kind of hard to figure out. If there is only a certain path to play all your maps, could you possibly post it so we can check them all out. Thanks.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:14 pm

AgentX wrote:I'm currently on the Low Countries and haven't seen the new maps, yet. What's the campaign path like? Will I be playing all 5 of your new maps? Or, will I only see certain ones based on my path (like the stock campaign)? Maybe you can tell us where your maps fit in within the grand campaign. I opened up the campaign file with Notepad and it's kind of hard to figure out. If there is only a certain path to play all your maps, could you possibly post it so we can check them all out. Thanks.

Sure thing, I'll explain:

The first scenario you get is Crete, it comes straight after the Greece campaign regardless of result.

Next up is the Sevastopol scenario. It will come only if you fail or get marginal victory in the Moscow 41 scenario.

After that it is the Kharkov scenario. It launches regardless of result in the Stalingrad scenario.

Operation Dragoon scenario launches if you get a marginal victory or loss in the Operation Overlord scenario.

Operation Market-Garden scenario launches regardless of result during the Dragoon scenario.

AgentX · Post by **AgentX** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:21 pm

So, it's mostly the same campaign, just with some added stops. So, for example, do I need to get a Marginal Victory in France (or lose Sealion '40) to get to Greece in order to get to Crete? Then what? After Crete you go to Barbarossa? Continue the path that gets you to Moscow '41. Get a MV there and you go to Sevastopol. Then, Kharkov comes up regardless of type victory there? Where to after Kharkov? Continue the path that gets to Moscow '43 so you can get to Overlord. Get a MV there to get to your Dragoon map then Market Garden. What happens after Market Garden? Game over or does it continue on one of the stock campaign paths?

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:18 pm

AgentX wrote:So, it's mostly the same campaign, just with some added stops. So, for example, do I need to get a Marginal Victory in France (or lose Sealion '40) to get to Greece in order to get to Crete? Then what? After Crete you go to Barbarossa? Continue the path that gets you to Moscow '41. Get a MV there and you go to Sevastopol. Then, Kharkov comes up regardless of type victory there? Where to after Kharkov? Continue the path that gets to Moscow '43 so you can get to Overlord. Get a MV there to get to your Dragoon map then Market Garden. What happens after Market Garden? Game over or does it continue on one of the stock campaign paths?

It is the same as the original grand campaign, only 5 new maps added.

Being in the Greece scenario is a pre-requisite to go for Crete, yes.

After Sevastopol you got to the Stalingrad scenario. After that one (regardless of result) you go to Kharkov.

To get to Overlord you can go to Moscow 43, but you can also lose Kursk and then go to Gustav line and Overlord after that.

After Market-Garden you go to the Ardenne offensive scenario. Basically, after Market-Garden, the game is the same as it was in its original form.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:23 pm

Mannock, could you please post your maps in the sticky?
viewtopic.php?t=26808
Thanks.

MickMannock · Post by **MickMannock** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:20 pm

VPaulus wrote:Mannock, could you please post your maps in the sticky?
viewtopic.php?t=26808
Thanks.

Uhm, they are already in the sticky thread...

Or have I missed something?

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:29 pm

MickMannock wrote: Uhm, they are already in the sticky thread...

Or have I missed something?

It was I who missed something.