AoW tournament at the BHGS Challenge

[hammy]

For any interested parties there will be an AoW tournament run at the BHGS Challenge in Ascot on the 14th and 15th of April. There is more information on the British Historical Gaming Society website www.bhgs.co.uk

Hammy

[plewis66]

Too far for me, I'm afraid...

[petedalby]

Who will be doing the list checking?

Are there any additional lists available?

Pete

[rbodleyscott]

Are there any additional lists available?

Here is a list of the lists available so far. I will supply 5 lists on request to each entrant.

rbs@byzant.demon.co.uk

Here is a list of all the army lists completed so far.

Ancient Egypt

Early Egyptian
New Kingdom Egyptian
Libyan Egyptian
Kushite Egyptian
Libyan
Nubian
Hyksos
Syro-Canaanite
Hittite Empire
Sea Peoples

Empires of Ancient Mesopotamia

Mitanni
Cimmerian
Neo-Assyrian Empire
Neo-Babylonian Empire


The Greek, Persian & Macedonian Wars

Classical Greek
Early Achaemenid Persian
Lydian
Thracian
Syracusan
Early Carthaginian
Skythian or Saka
Kyrenean Greek
Late Dynastic Egyptian
Alexandrian Macedonian
Later Achaemenid Persian
Classical Indian
Early Successor
Galatian
Hellenistic Greek
Graeco-Bactrian
Graeco-Indian

The Rise of Rome

Mid Republican Roman
Late Republican Roman
Gallic
Pyrrhic
Later Carthaginian
Ancient Spanish
Later Macedonian
Later Seleucid
Later Ptolemaic
Attalid Pergamene
Numidian or early Moorish
Pontic
Early Armenian
Parthian
Later Jewish
Illyrian
Slave Revolt
Bosporan

Imperial Rome

Early Imperial Roman
Middle Imperial Roman
Late Imperial Roman
Foederate Roman
Later Sarmatian
Early German
Dacian or Carpi
Ancient British
Caledonian
Early Alan
Jewish Revolt
Sassanid Persian
Kushan
Palmyran
Early Frankish, Alamanni, Burgundi, Limigantes, Rugian, Suevi or Turcilingi
Early Visigothic, Early Vandal or Quadi
Early Anglo-Saxon, Bavarian, Frisian, Old Saxon or Thuringian
Early Ostrogothic, Herul, Sciri or Taifali
Gepid or Early Lombard
Early Scots Irish
Early Pictish
Western Hunnic
Hephthalite Hunnic

Byzantium and Islam

Early Byzantine
Maurikian Byzantine
Thematic Byzantine
Nikephorian Byzantine
Later Moorish
Later Visigothic
African Vandal
Italian Ostrogothic
Early South Slav
Lombard
Avar
Arab Conquest
Early Bulgar
Ummayad Arab
Abbasid Arab
Early North African Dynasties
Khurasanian Dynasties
Bedouin Dynasties
Dailami Dynasties
Pecheneg
Ghaznavid

The Crusades

Early Crusader
Later Crusader
Fatimid Egyptian
Seljuk Turk
Cuman
Komnenan Byzantine
Post Latin Conquest Byzantine
Ilkhanid Mongol
Mamluk Egyptian
Cilician Armenian
Syrian States
Ayyubid Egyptian
Medieval Cypriot
Latin Greece

Western Europe in the Later Middle Ages

Medieval French
100-yrs War English (Continental)
100-yrs War English (Britain)
Later Medieval Scots (Britain)
Later Medieval Scots (Continental)
Later Scots Isles & Highlands
Later Anglo-Irish
Medieval Irish
Low Countries
Later Medieval German
Italian Condotta
Swiss
Free Company
Medieval Burgundian
Medieval Castilian
Medieval Crown of Aragon
Medieval Portugese
Later Granadine
Navarrese
Ordonnance French
Wars of the Roses English
Ordonnance Burgundian
Santa Hermandad Nueva Castilian

Eastern Europe and the Rise of the Ottomans

Early Ottoman Turkish
Later Ottoman Turkish
Tatar
Late Byzantine
Later Russian
Later Serbian Empire
Later Bulgarian
Later Lithuanian
Later Polish
Later Teutonic Knights
Middle Hungarian
Moldavian or Wallachian
Albanian
Timurid, White Sheep Turcoman or Black Sheep Turcoman
Later Hungarian

Chinese Armies

Yuan Chinese
Ming Chinese

[hammy]

Who will be doing the list checking?

Are there any additional lists available?

Pete

I am doing list checking.

Hammy@the-riverbank.net

[hammy]

Here are the tournament rules for AoW at the BHGS Challenge:

15mm AoW COMPETITION RULES

Umpires: The AoW design team.

Competition Rules:
1. The rules to be used are the latest version of the AoW beta rules as provided by Slitherine.

2. Players wishing to participate must register for the AoW beta program by contacting JDM@Slitherine.com and completing the required non disclosure agreement.

3. Armies may be chosen from either the army lists for beta testers or selected from the following list:

Ancient Egypt

Early Egyptian ; New Kingdom Egyptian ; Libyan Egyptian ; Kushite Egyptian ; Libyan ;
Nubian ; Hyksos ; Syro-Canaanite ; Hittite Empire ; Sea Peoples

Empires of Ancient Mesopotamia

Mitanni ; Cimmerian ; Neo-Assyrian Empire ; Neo-Babylonian Empire

The Greek, Persian & Macedonian Wars

Classical Greek ; Early Achaemenid Persian ; Lydian ; Thracian ; Syracusan ; Early Carthaginian ; Skythian or Saka ; Kyrenean Greek ; Late Dynastic Egyptian ; Alexandrian Macedonian ;
Later Achaemenid Persian ; Classical Indian ; Early Successor ; Galatian ; Hellenistic Greek ;
Graeco-Bactrian ; Graeco-Indian

The Rise of Rome

Mid Republican Roman ; Late Republican Roman ; Gallic ; Pyrrhic ; Later Carthaginian ;
Ancient Spanish ; Later Macedonian ; Later Seleucid ; Later Ptolemaic ; Attalid Pergamene ; Numidian or early Moorish ; Pontic ; Early Armenian ; Parthian ; Later Jewish ; Illyrian ;
Slave Revolt ; Bosporan

Imperial Rome

Dominate Roman ; Principate Roman ; Foederate Roman ; Later Sarmatian ; Early German ; Dacian or Carpi ; Ancient British ; Caledonian ; Early Alan ; Jewish Revolt ; Sassanid Persian ; Kushan ; Palmyran ; Early Frankish ; Western Hunnic
Alamanni, Burgundi, Limigantes, Rugian, Suevi or Turcilingi ;
Early Visigothic, Early Vandal or Quadi ; Early Ostrogothic, Herul, Sciri or Taifali ;
Early Anglo-Saxon, Bavarian, Frisian, Old Saxon or Thuringian ;
Gepid or Early Lombard ; Early Scots Irish ; Early Pictish ; Hephthalite Hunnic

Byzantium and Islam

Early Byzantine ; Maurikian Byzantine ; Thematic Byzantine ; Nikephorian Byzantine ;
Later Moorish ; Later Visigothic ; African Vandal ; Italian Ostrogothic ; Early South Slav ; Lombard ; Avar ; Arab Conquest ; Early Bulgar ; Ummayad Arab ; Abbasid Arab ;
Early North African Dynasties ; Khurasanian Dynasties ; Bedouin Dynasties ;
Dailami Dynasties ; Pecheneg ; Ghaznavid

The Crusades

Early Crusader ; Later Crusader ; Fatimid Egyptian ; Seljuk Turk ; Cuman ; Komnenan Byzantine;
Post Latin Conquest Byzantine ; Ilkhanid Mongol ; Mamluk Egyptian ; Cilician Armenian ;
Syrian States ; Ayyubid Egyptian ; Medieval Cypriot ; Latin Greece

Western Europe in the Later Middle Ages

Medieval French ; 100-yrs War English (Continental) ; 100-yrs War English (Britain) ;
Later Medieval Scots (Britain) ; Later Medieval Scots (Continental) ;
Later Scots Isles & Highlands ; Later Anglo-Irish ; Medieval Irish ; Low Countries ;
Later Medieval German ; Italian Condotta ; Swiss ; Free Company ; Medieval Burgundian ; Medieval Castilian ; Medieval Crown of Aragon ; Medieval Portugese ; Later Granadine ;
Navarrese ; Ordonnance French ; Wars of the Roses English ; Ordonnance Burgundian ;
Santa Hermandad Nueva Castilian

Eastern Europe and the Rise of the Ottomans

Early Ottoman Turkish ; Later Ottoman Turkish ; Tatar ; Late Byzantine ; Later Russian ;
Later Serbian Empire ; Later Bulgarian ; Later Lithuanian ; Later Polish ; Later Teutonic Knights ; Middle Hungarian ; Moldavian or Wallachian ; Albanian ; Timurid;
White Sheep Turcoman or Black Sheep Turcoman ; Later Hungarian

Chinese Armies

Yuan Chinese ; Ming Chinese

Each participating player will be allowed to request up to three of the above lists in addition to the standard army lists for beta testers document.

4. The list submitted must not exceed 800 points specified.

5. Army lists must specify the number and size of battle groups and the order of march for deployment. They should also include the territory list for the army. Once an army list has been submitted it may not be changed or altered other than to correct any errors. Players may only correct their errors by making reasonable changes to their list. It is not allowed to completely re-write the list, and the list checkers decision on this is final.

6. Please note the BHGS Challenge 2007 is a single list format. Any incorrect list discovered after a game has commenced (after set up dice have been rolled) must be corrected prior to the next match.

7. Army lists must be submitted for checking in advance and must be received by the List Checker not later than one week before the event.

8. The List Checker is James Hamilton (hammy@the-riverbank.net) 17 Davenport Park Road, Stockport, Cheshire, SK2 6JU. Tel 0161 483 9131. Please note that only incoming calls are possible, and that the list checker can only respond to queries in connection with Army Lists. All other queries must be addressed to the organisers.

9. Players must fully define their troops as they are placed on table.

10. Table size is 6' x 4' and players must supply their own terrain pieces. These must be to an acceptable standard, and umpires will have the discretion to remove unsightly items. In addition all figures must be representative and painted and based to an acceptable standard.

11. Players must be present and ready to start the match at the appointed time. Where a player has a reasonable excuse for arriving late the match start will be delayed by up to 30 minutes. After which time the effected player will be awarded a bye and 32 points. No player will be awarded more than one bye for any reason.

12. If a player resigns from a game at any stage after the first set up dice have been rolled their opponents will be awarded 32 points.

13. Matches will continue until the end of the side with initiatives turn (but not including a final interbound phase) in the current pair of turns when time is called. Time will be called after 3.5 hours plus a 1 ??“ 15 minute random factor. The random factor will be determined by the umpire prior to the start of the round, and will not be revealed until the announcement is made. Players may always commence games earlier than the stated time by mutual consent.

14. Admission to the tournament is at the sole discretion of the organisers and their decision on all matters is final. An application to enter denotes acceptance of these rules. Entry fees and any queries to be addressed to the BHGS The White Cottage, 8 Westhill Ave. Epsom, KT19 8LE. Tel. 01372 812132. Fax. O1372 817038. e-mail BHGS@slitherine.co.uk All postal correspondence must be accompanied by a SAE. Those indicating an e mail address will receive communications via e mail.

[petedalby]

The rules to be used are the latest version of the AoW beta rules as provided by Slitherine.

So we won't be using any of the suggested changes to MF? Bow still shoot in 1.5 ranks?

Pete

[rbodleyscott]

The rules to be used are the latest version of the AoW beta rules as provided by Slitherine.

So we won't be using any of the suggested changes to MF? Bow still shoot in 1.5 ranks?

Pete

We expect to issue a new version to entrants in the next week. We appreciate that this won't give much time to assimilate them - but it is a beta test tournament.

[bddbrown]

Do we have idea if there is enough interest to warrant a competition yet?

[petedalby]

We expect to issue a new version to entrants in the next week. We appreciate that this won't give much time to assimilate them - but it is a beta test tournament.

No problem with that at all. But it would be nice to have them before we have to submit army lists?

Do we have idea if there is enough interest to warrant a competition yet?

I guess that's quite important too?!!

Pete

[rbodleyscott]

We expect to issue a new version to entrants in the next week. We appreciate that this won't give much time to assimilate them - but it is a beta test tournament.

No problem with that at all. But it would be nice to have them before we have to submit army lists?

Indeed, but the only changes likely to affect army choice are the ones listed in the forthcoming changes thread.

The main additional change is that we do now (at last) have some workable rules for war wagons.

However, all war wagons in the lists are now incorrectly classified, the points have changed and the Hussite list will be completely changed.

So if anyone feels compelled to use war wagons, best let me know so I can advise accordingly.

Do we have idea if there is enough interest to warrant a competition yet?

No idea, you will need to ask JD. I can't come anyway as it is Thomas's wedding on the Saturday. (And I will be too hung over to come on the Sunday).

[hammy]

So far we have a limited number of entries to this event. Are there any people sitting on the fence? How many players do people feel are needed to make a competition?

IMO once we have 6 players then we can do a round robin.

If you do fancy five games of AoW the weekend after next get in touch with JD.

Cheers

Hammy

[hammy]

Anyone still thinking about this comp please get in touch with JD ASAP.

Hammy

[neilhammond]

Anyone still thinking about this comp please get in touch with JD ASAP.

Unfortunately I'm out of the country at the time of the comp so I'll have to give it a miss.

Neil