RoR Companions Cup II - April 2011

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat May 21, 2011 1:53 pm

I keep forgetting to note the points until after I click done!

But we're something like me: 17/70ish to the Spanish 30ish/80ish...but fear not...my guys have been doing horribly...I'll maintain our consistency!!

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat May 21, 2011 2:59 pm

Turn 7...me: 24/77...him: 47/85

The devil's right flank refuses to collapse!!!!

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:25 pm

Turn 6 and the main lines are now heavily engaged in the Pergamene civil war. So far the game has been hard on the opposing skirmishers but that's pretty much petered out now. Current score is 10/64 for the good Pergamenes against 25/63 for the evil Pergamenes

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Chris

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:52 pm

Blathergut (Gauls): Win 21700/5991 58/77
Tofman04 (Celtiberians): Loss 25500/8154 87/85

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:48 pm

Congrats Blathergut!

my own game
25/79 slaves (the good ones) to 36/95

I chose quality (if there is such a thing in this list) over quantity.

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:14 pm

Final and 3rd/4th play-off

Final

Alexander 1 vs 0 Hannibal
Match 1 (Crowded): Illyrian Davouthojo 8/85 vs 4/64 Attalid Pergamene Morbio Latest score
Match 2 (Crowded): Attalid Pergamene CheAhn 65/66 vs 90/85 Illyrian IanIOW WIN Alexander
Match 3 (Mixed): Gallic (Later Lowland) Massina_NZ vs Gallic (Later Lowland) Steve-h8
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Dazzam vs Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Triarius
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Pantherboy 40/78 vs 45/83 Spanish (Celtiberian) Ericdoman1 Latest score

3rd/4th play-off

Pyrrhus 0 vs 1 Caesar
Match 1 (Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Lysimachos 36/95 vs 25/79 Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) TheGrayMouser Latest score
Match 2 (Crowded): Gallic (Later Lowland) Hidde vs Spanish (Celtiberian) Deeter
Match 3 (Mixed): Attalid Pergamene Razorback77 25/63 vs 10/64 Attalid Pergamene BatesMotel Latest score
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Illyrian Petran1978 vs Illyrian Deadtorius
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Tofman04 87/85 vs 58/77 Gallic (Later Lowland) Blathergut WIN Caesar

All: Any progress in the other matches?

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:40 pm

batesmotel (Attalid Pergamene) - 35/64 (win)
razorback77 (Attalid Pegamene) - 63/63

Razorback77's luck was found wanting and he never recovered from the deficit at the end of the skirmisher battle.

Chris

pantherboy · Post by **pantherboy** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:53 am

pantherboy (Celtiberians) 72/78
ericdoman1 (Celtiberians) 92/83

Tough slog for my Spanish. I went the route of all HF plus Iberian MF with the minimum lights and no LH. Eric went for two allies worth of MF and some LH and extra LF. The field was open except for hills on each flank. I'd calculated to reach both hills first but Eric's miscalculation ended up costing him as he contested both flanks fighting outnumbered or uphill which saw the destruction of both allied contingents. Add on to this some costly mistakes with his LF between the HF lines resulted in a decent BP lead for my boys before the coin toss for the center began. Eric won that flip of the coin and rapidly annihilated my HF in the equal clash (even pushing me ahead of his BP total one turn when I was 61 and he was 60) but eventually my flanks came in and the extra HF I had in the army were able to hold the disintegrating center long enough for me to pick apart his army on the last turn. Good exciting stuff. Cheers for the matches guys.

For future Cups could I suggest that when the Captain makes army selections for each terrain type that they aren't allowed to select the same army as their opponent has if possible. That would mean that sometimes the 5th match would be a civil war depending on how selection proceeded.

hidde · Post by **hidde** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:56 pm

Gallic (Later Lowland) Hidde 0/65 vs 1/90 Spanish (Celtiberian) Deeter
I'm clearly winning

Apologize in advance for slow turns. Very busy for another week most likely.

Triarii · Post by **Triarii** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:38 pm

Triarius (Slaves) 67/79
Dazzam (Slaves) 100/90

Our armies were very similar - had to be at 650 points with this list - only difference was the proportions of woman and children mob and poorly armed slaves mob.
(Given the fierceness of both we should have loaded up with them first!!)

Anyway a real slugfest in which both right flanks were numerically superior and both left flanks collapsed. Unfortunately for Dazzam his camp was behind his collapsing left flank and my camp was behind my winning right.
He was stuck between a rock and a hard place using up units to try and keep my slaves away from his camp while on my left the poor remnants could keep going backwards. That and my good luck on an immediate looting in the last turn was the only difference in the end.

Thanks very much to Dazzam.

Just to add I agree with Pantherboy's suggestion:-

For future Cups could I suggest that when the Captain makes army selections for each terrain type that they aren't allowed to select the same army as their opponent has if possible. That would mean that sometimes the 5th match would be a civil war depending on how selection proceeded.

Lysimachos · Post by **Lysimachos** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:37 am

I'm proud to announce the first victory for the Pyrrhic armies!

Lysimachos (good Slaves) 90/95 TheGrayMouser (bad Slaves) 81/79

The prelude of the battle saw the Commanders divide their options between quantity (Lys chose to pump up his army with some mob units to creat a cushion of sparing points) and quality (TGM instead preferred to fill his army with commanders).
The battle then was fought on arid terrain with some rough hills on the left and plenty of scrubs.
No maneuvering was allowed by the size of the hosts, that launched each other headlong in the fray.
For the great part of the battle it seemed that the superior moral cohesion given by the bad Slaves Commanders would prevail, with the good ones trailing sometimes by 25 points.
But in the last stages of the encounter, when every hope was waning, the death of one the opposing Commanders and the exhaustion of the adversary units gave to the Pyrrhic Slaves the little final advantage.

Thank's to TGM for this exciting match!

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Tue May 24, 2011 11:57 am

Final and 3rd/4th play-off

Final

Alexander 2 vs 1 Hannibal
Match 1 (Crowded): Illyrian Davouthojo 8/85 vs 4/64 Attalid Pergamene Morbio Latest score
Match 2 (Crowded): Attalid Pergamene CheAhn 65/66 vs 90/85 Illyrian IanIOW WIN Alexander
Match 3 (Mixed): Gallic (Later Lowland) Massina_NZ vs Gallic (Later Lowland) Steve-h8
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Dazzam 100/90 vs 67/79 Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Triarius WIN Hannibal
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Pantherboy 72/78 vs 92/83 Spanish (Celtiberian) Ericdoman1 WIN Alexander

3rd/4th play-off

Pyrrhus 1 vs 2 Caesar
Match 1 (Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Lysimachos 90/95 vs 81/79 Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) TheGrayMouser WIN Pyrrhus
Match 2 (Crowded): Gallic (Later Lowland) Hidde 0/65 vs 1/90 Spanish (Celtiberian) Deeter Latest score
Match 3 (Mixed): Attalid Pergamene Razorback77 63/63 vs 35/64 Attalid Pergamene BatesMotel WIN Caesar
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Illyrian Petran1978 vs Illyrian Deadtorius
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Tofman04 87/85 vs 58/77 Gallic (Later Lowland) Blathergut WIN Caesar

All: Any progress in the other matches?

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Tue May 24, 2011 12:05 pm

pantherboy wrote:For future Cups could I suggest that when the Captain makes army selections for each terrain type that they aren't allowed to select the same army as their opponent has if possible. That would mean that sometimes the 5th match would be a civil war depending on how selection proceeded.

It's clearly me, because Triarius understands, but I don't quite understand the suggestion.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't allow civil war matches in the 1st 4 selections?

The inference is that by doing this then we might get more civil war matches as the 5th match.... but, IMO, we are just as likely to get civil war matches as the 5th match the more previous matches are civil war as the number of combinations diminishes.

Also, why the concern regarding the 5th match? It has no more value than any other match and is only 5th because they are numbered. All matches are simulaneous (in theory) and of equal weight.

Just to be clear, I've no objection to changing and improving the format, I'm just not understanding at the moment

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Tue May 24, 2011 12:22 pm

Morbio wrote:
pantherboy wrote:For future Cups could I suggest that when the Captain makes army selections for each terrain type that they aren't allowed to select the same army as their opponent has if possible. That would mean that sometimes the 5th match would be a civil war depending on how selection proceeded.
It's clearly me, because Triarius understands, but I don't quite understand the suggestion.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't allow civil war matches in the 1st 4 selections?

The inference is that by doing this then we might get more civil war matches as the 5th match.... but, IMO, we are just as likely to get civil war matches as the 5th match the more previous matches are civil war as the number of combinations diminishes.

Also, why the concern regarding the 5th match? It has no more value than any other match and is only 5th because they are numbered. All matches are simulaneous (in theory) and of equal weight.

Just to be clear, I've no objection to changing and improving the format, I'm just not understanding at the moment

I dont believe either Pantherboy nor Triarius have any concern over the 5th match per se. Its just that they dont like playing civil war battes (which can be tedious if you get alloted one every time, especialy with some of the larger hordy style armies) What they are suggesting is not allowing intentional cw line ups. I tend to agree as well.

CheAhn · Post by **CheAhn** » Tue May 24, 2011 1:00 pm

i agree too, no civil war allowed as a choice would make it more interesting.

ianiow · Post by **ianiow** » Tue May 24, 2011 2:20 pm

I like Civil War matches

But I will go with the majority and try not the sulk about it

pantherboy · Post by **pantherboy** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:01 pm

What I'm suggesting is a means to minimize the number of civil war matches to a maximum of 1 per round (which would only occur in the 5th game if circumstances dictated). Also this adds an extra element to what armies you select as the Captain. With wise selection choices you could force the unwary Captain to allocate a weak choice for a particular terrain type.

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Wed May 25, 2011 12:15 pm

pantherboy wrote:What I'm suggesting is a means to minimize the number of civil war matches to a maximum of 1 per round (which would only occur in the 5th game if circumstances dictated). Also this adds an extra element to what armies you select as the Captain. With wise selection choices you could force the unwary Captain to allocate a weak choice for a particular terrain type.

I understand now and fully approve of this idea... it's the type of tactical selection that I was hoping to see. I've put it to the rules committee (me

) and it is accepted.... unless someone has a real hatred of this suggestion and can give a good reason why it shouldn't be adopted into the next competition.

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 pm

Final and 3rd/4th play-off

Final

Alexander 2 vs 1 Hannibal
Match 1 (Crowded): Illyrian Davouthojo 16/85 vs 7/64 Attalid Pergamene Morbio Latest score
Match 2 (Crowded): Attalid Pergamene CheAhn 65/66 vs 90/85 Illyrian IanIOW WIN Alexander
Match 3 (Mixed): Gallic (Later Lowland) Massina_NZ vs Gallic (Later Lowland) Steve-h8
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Dazzam 100/90 vs 67/79 Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Triarius WIN Hannibal
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Pantherboy 72/78 vs 92/83 Spanish (Celtiberian) Ericdoman1 WIN Alexander

3rd/4th play-off

Pyrrhus 1 vs 2 Caesar
Match 1 (Crowded): Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) Lysimachos 90/95 vs 81/79 Spartacus Slave Revolt (MF) TheGrayMouser WIN Pyrrhus
Match 2 (Crowded): Gallic (Later Lowland) Hidde 0/65 vs 1/90 Spanish (Celtiberian) Deeter Latest score
Match 3 (Mixed): Attalid Pergamene Razorback77 63/63 vs 35/64 Attalid Pergamene BatesMotel WIN Caesar
Match 4 (Very Crowded): Illyrian Petran1978 vs Illyrian Deadtorius
Match 5 (Free choice): Spanish (Celtiberian) Tofman04 87/85 vs 58/77 Gallic (Later Lowland) Blathergut WIN Caesar

All: Any progress in the other matches?

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:56 pm

The Ilyrians hold all the steep hills my the centre left and are massed in the woods on the far right and trying to flank the thin AP Galatian right. The Galatians are trying to hold some hills and a gully and are doing well considering they are outnumbered about 4:1. The AP lancers holds the wide left and is flanking the masses on the steep hills along with supporting MF spears. The centre is being contested between the AP Galatian HF and the Ilyrian Hoplite HF with some MF spear support. The Galatians are winning the centre but will then get drawn into the steep hills or the woods. The AP Galatian cavalry is supporting the centre and right waiting for the line to collapse as it will in time through attrition... and once the Illyrian spears enter the open they will pay the price in blood and tears....