Selling Units

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Fri May 20, 2011 5:43 pm

I just want to re-iterate, how non-sensical it still is that we have to suicide or disband our units to make room to purchase something else we want at a given time. It would feel less GAMEY, not to mention other elements, if we could retire units from the field for some return on prestige.

heinrich · Post by **heinrich** » Fri May 20, 2011 5:58 pm

I like the idea! Selling the unit (not selling in the common way^^) for a little bit prestige would be helping a lot to make room in your core unit roster or to get a little money back before upgrading for the same price as a new one (to forget about the experience)

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Fri May 20, 2011 6:04 pm

I'd like to see it appear on the enemies side after you sell it.

That will teach you a lesson!

heinrich · Post by **heinrich** » Fri May 20, 2011 6:17 pm

bwahahaha^^ nice one. made my day lol

OmegaMan1 · Post by **OmegaMan1** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:23 pm

That's funny Razz, kind of like finding it at your opponent's yard sale LOL.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:37 pm

0% return on disbanding AUX units.
25% return on disbanding CORE units during scenario.
50% return on disbanding CORE units during deploy phase.

0 experience loss when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f)
50 experience loss when upgrading between different units models (ME109e to FW190a)

10% of total unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10% of the 109f, 34 prestige.)
50% of total unit price when upgrading between different unit models (PZ IIC to PZ IVF will cost 50% of PZ IVF 157 prestige.)
OR
Full difference in unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10) (109e is 330 109f is 340)
Full difference +50% in unit price when upgrading between different unit models. (PZIIC to PZ IVF will cost 369 prestige.)

On reflection, full difference +50% may be too high. Full difference +25% perhaps.

Thoughts?

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:36 pm

Razz1 wrote:I'd like to see it appear on the enemies side after you sell it.

That will teach you a lesson!

I did not quite 'get-it' at first.. now I do.

Were you referring to the Korean war, where some Americans found themselves impaled upon the same weapons they had sold the reds during WWII. There was something before hand Patton had warned about that... regarding making a pact with the devil.

Of course, the politicians all knew better...

I always invisioned sales in PG as a somewhat transaction deal between Generals. "Here, I have some extra howitzers I really don't need, so if you still want em, I'll trade em for an extra tank or two you have which I could really do for my next mission."

Akaoz · Post by **Akaoz** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:54 pm

Kerensky wrote:0% return on disbanding AUX units.
25% return on disbanding CORE units during scenario.
50% return on disbanding CORE units during deploy phase.

0 experience loss when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f)
50 experience loss when upgrading between different units models (ME109e to FW190a)

10% of total unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10% of the 109f, 34 prestige.)
50% of total unit price when upgrading between different unit models (PZ IIC to PZ IVF will cost 50% of PZ IVF 157 prestige.)
OR
Full difference in unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10) (109e is 330 109f is 340)
Full difference +50% in unit price when upgrading between different unit models. (PZIIC to PZ IVF will cost 369 prestige.)

On reflection, full difference +50% may be too high. Full difference +25% perhaps.

Thoughts?

I like it. And I prefer the 10%/50% to the diff for upgrade. I hate the XP penalty though, but if we must have it, then 50xp loss for upgrade is PLENTY.

heinrich · Post by **heinrich** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:02 pm

Kerensky wrote:0% return on disbanding AUX units.
25% return on disbanding CORE units during scenario.
50% return on disbanding CORE units during deploy phase.

I see no point for making a difference between scenario and deployment phase though I wouldn´t generally allow to disband a unit while in scenario, only in deployment phase.

Kerensky wrote:0 experience loss when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f)
50 experience loss when upgrading between different units models (ME109e to FW190a)

Makes sense

Kerensky wrote:10% of total unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10% of the 109f, 34 prestige.)
50% of total unit price when upgrading between different unit models (PZ IIC to PZ IVF will cost 50% of PZ IVF 157 prestige.)

Depends on the prestige balancing. By now I would say 10% for upgrading same unitversion is too cheap. Upgrading shouldn´t be too expensive but 10% for one unit would be round about 3-4% on your starting prestige in a new scenario (measured on 1.500 prestige points for a mid campaign scenario). Don´t know if this is the right perspective to compare but upgrading should be a tactical decision not a proforma process. After all even upgrading a unit inner class can be a significant enhancement. On the other side, 50% for a class change (full upgrade) sounds good.

Kerensky wrote:Full difference in unit price when upgrading between unit models (109e to 109f will cost 10) (109e is 330 109f is 340)
Full difference +50% in unit price when upgrading between different unit models. (PZIIC to PZ IVF will cost 369 prestige.)

On reflection, full difference +50% may be too high. Full difference +25% perhaps.

I don´t like the second idea just because it´s complicated (and complete out of relation i.e. innerclass upgrades would be too cheap and full upgrade too expensive). No no I just don´t like it

OmegaMan1 · Post by **OmegaMan1** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:38 pm

Kerensky, I think your ideas are sound. Hope some/all of them see implementation before the final build.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Sat May 21, 2011 12:01 am

Interesting thoughts. A lot of these numbers are dependent on good prestige balancing, so don't expect my 'made up on the spot' numbers to be included without extensive testing beforehand.

We also have some other ideas to help deal with experience inflation, such as diminishing returns, so keep an eye out and keep the feedback coming!