Compulsary covered hills

[elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n]

A covered hill can be chosen as a compulsary piece if "Hills are compulsary" or if "Hills are permitted and the covering is compulsary and of at least nominal size" (pg 139)

From the definition of large pieces (top of pg 139). "A large piece counts as 2 selections and as 2 towards the maximum of that type, unless it is one of the two compulsary pieces".

I therefore believe that in Agricultural it is possible to pick as your compulsary piece a maximum sized Open field covered Steep hill which uses up one of the open field selections and the steep hill selection.

This seems to be a shock to some and I thought it would be best to post to allow comment.

Paul

[Mehrunes]

Out of my head, I believe fields cannot cover a hill.

[ShrubMiK]

It's an interesting question, and I'm not sure of the answer.

I was playing a highly experienced, highly-rated FoGger last night, who commented that I should have made my gentle hill covered to get a bit more useful terrain onto the table to better counter his naughty steppe-loving evil hordes. So for what it is worth, that was his opinion.

But I seem to recall discussion on this subject previously in this forum which concluded that although a covered hill is only one terrain selection, it counts against the maxima of both types of terrain piece.

[elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n]

Out of my head, I believe fields cannot cover a hill.

You are quite correct, from pg 139 again "A hill can be covered with either Broken ground, brush, plantation, vineyards, forest or a village"

Therefore, not open fields.

So in answer to my original question, no you cannot.

Fortunately I haven't done that yet. What I did do last night is with Hilly terrain picked a Brush covered gentle hill as a maximum sized compulsary piece. The discussion was whether this uses up 1 or 2 of the gentle hill selections as well as one brush selection but fortunately Hammy was on hand to confirm it was one.

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[hazelbark]

I don't think you could alter the mandatory selection in this way or similar as the mandatory has to be of that type and not that type including something else.

[elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n]

A covered hill can be chosen as a compulsary piece if "Hills are compulsary" or if "Hills are permitted and the covering is compulsary and of at least nominal size" (pg 139)

[viperofmilan]

I believe that in the example you cited (double-sized mandatory GH covered with brush) this would shake out as 1 selection from the allowable GH and 2 from the brush. This also is why, for instance, you cannot take a double-sized compulsory hill and completely cover it with BUA since no terrain type permits more than 1 BUA.

For what it is worth that is how we play it.

Kevin

[elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n]

I agree that a lot of people play that a covered hill uses up 1 of the compulsary and 2 of the covering selections. However,
the rules say

From the definition of large pieces (top of pg 139). "A large piece counts as 2 selections and as 2 towards the maximum of that type, unless it is one of the two compulsary pieces".

i.e. the reduction is for the compulsary piece not only for the compulsary terrain type.

As such I believe that it costs 1 of each selection type.