Stepping forward into flank

[rulethechaos]

1.What happens if an Bg steps forward into the flank of an enemy, that it couldnt legally charge in its flank?

2.What happens if an Bg(Z) steps forward into an position that only touches the enemy(A) at its front corner with its own front corner? Is there an impact phase between A and Z? Can Z fight as an overlape against A even if Ys and Zs side edge arent touching?
AA
YYZZBBBB
.......ZZ

A and B are the enemey
Y and Z are your Bgs

[batesmotel]

1.What happens if an Bg steps forward into the flank of an enemy, that it couldnt legally charge in its flank?

2.What happens if an Bg(Z) steps forward into an position that only touches the enemy(A) at its front corner with its own front corner? Is there an impact phase between A and Z? Can Z fight as an overlape against A even if Ys and Zs side edge arent touching?

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AA
YYZZBBBB
    ZZ

A and B are the enemey
Y and Z are your Bgs

For 1, the step forward into the flank would not count as a flank charge and would instead count as if if contacted the front of the file. Depending on the number of bases in contact at impact, the number of bases fighting would be determined by the side with the fewest bases in contact at impact. If possible, after the impact phase the chargers would conform to the front of the enemy BG into whose flank they had stepped forward.

For 2, I think your diagram was supposed to look like it should now with it marked as code. In this case, I beleive the step forward would not occur since the ZZ stands would not make edge contact with AA. I'd need to double check the rules but pretty sure that no step forward would occur in that situation.

Chris

[TERRYFROMSPOKANE]

I think the step forward into corner to corner contact would be allowed but would not result in an impact combat. The "Legal Charge Contact" rule on page 52 allows for corner to corner contact with no resultant combat. The "Stepping Forwards" rule on page 55 says "Every stepped forward front rank base must end in contact with an enemy." It doesn't say "legal charge contact" is required.

Terry G.

[petedalby]

I think we need a clearer picture please?

The OP says that Y & Z are your BGs - so who has Z charged in order that it can step forward into A?

[batesmotel]

I think we need a clearer picture please?

The OP says that Y & Z are your BGs - so who has Z charged in order that it can step forward into A?

I think the original idea was that Y charged into A and that Z charged into B. The left end of Z extends beyond B so steps forward into corner to corner contact with A. I think the step forward would only occur if the contact would result in an impact (besides having to satisfy the remaining rules for stepping forward), so that more than corner to corner contact would need to occur to trigger stepping forward.

Unfortunately the ASCII art isn't very precise so I may have misinterpreted the original poster's situation but this seems the most likely one.

Chris

[rulethechaos]

The diagram didnt look like it should look. batesmotel figured it out right.

I think it should be possible to step forward with no impact, but with a fight as overlap in melee.

[petedalby]

Okay got it now - I think?

So it looks like:





A is
B is
Y is
Z is

If so, Z can't step forward as the 2nd base from the left makes no contact with any enemy.