Fatimid sariraya pikemen and 'abid al-shira

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:58 am

I wonder what the first guys were. I only know them from one sentence each in the FoG army list and the DBMM army list.
Web research didn't return any results.
Can someone point me to where the evidence comes from?
Were they just one differently armed regiment of the 'abid al-shira?
Were they something like a guard regiment?

And how should I imagine both of them?
Were they slaves with poor clothing or were they richly decorated and equipped by their owners like ghilmen were?

At the moment, I really have no clue how to paint them.

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:02 am

Come on, nobody?
There are at least 14 players out there who may have done some research. And the list was written by someone, too.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:16 am

Try a search for Hamblin's article "The Fatimid Army During the Crusades" - it's online somewhere IIRC.

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:07 pm

I searched for it before but never found it. Is it in there?
I asked some people over at the TMP if they could mail it to me.

Is the sariraya the same as the qaysarriya, the palace guard?

domblas · Post by **domblas** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:01 am

Hi,

Abid al Shira means owned men (slaves) they were mostly soudanese but not only. So they might be dressed by their owners to a moderate and cheap clothes. I have no historical source for this latest assumption but never saw richly dressed slaves.
Hope it helps.

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:30 am

I got Hamblin's paper and the sariraya is mentioned there in only one sentence, too.
I wonder why it made it in the list and for example the more often mentioned slingers and naffatun did not.