Hi,
I will probably take a beat in this game in wich my oponent who is playing with the axis build a lot of aircraft units (he has around 14 german fighters and 5 german tactical bombers with 1 strategic bomber). The problem is that he inflicted me with very high casualties due to high level fighters (in 1943 i've reached level 5 in dog fight but he reached lvl 6 around spring of 1943) but i could never reached him in organization in wich he has at least 4, soviests and allies 3. Because of this i 've spent a lot of pp repairing my planes....and not alowing him to have air superioraty....task in which i am failing.
Also during winter periods in cental and eastern europe...he tranfers almost all of his aircraft to southern Greece and crete...destroying the british.
So how can i counter this more effectivly???...mirroring him its not a good ideea due to having at least 1 lvl behind..in dog fight..and his superior organization lv.
how to counter this!!!
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Crazygunner1
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Hi
Usually when an opponents mass produces like that, tanks, planes or navy units they all have 2 things in comon. They all swallow alot of oil as stated previous. Second is that in order to build up these masses they usually have to sacrifice somehting else like poor infantry support or ground units in general. Maybe science....You need to figure out what´s his weaknes. In general the Germans weakness is that can´t sustaing to heavy casualties or they will never recover, another they lack sufficient oil capacity to keep the war going in the long run without conquering oil fields.
Look at how the real war went, the Allies had to open 3 fronts on germany to make them crumble. As an Allied player you should make him commit troops to as many fronts as possible, the more, the quicker his manpower and oil will run out. Grind him down. You say he has a large Luftwaffe, then maybe you should target his oil to make him suffer....they won´t go anywhere without oil.
Maybe do strategic bombings over germany to get those fat PP producers like Paris Holland and most of all inside germany Rhur, Hamburg and so on. Wear his factory down with bombers from England and his PP will go down so much he won´t be able to replace the losses his precious Luftwaffe will take....
There are many ways to win the war, that is the joy with this game.....read some AAr as well, to get some idea of what is effective.
Good luck
Crazyg
Usually when an opponents mass produces like that, tanks, planes or navy units they all have 2 things in comon. They all swallow alot of oil as stated previous. Second is that in order to build up these masses they usually have to sacrifice somehting else like poor infantry support or ground units in general. Maybe science....You need to figure out what´s his weaknes. In general the Germans weakness is that can´t sustaing to heavy casualties or they will never recover, another they lack sufficient oil capacity to keep the war going in the long run without conquering oil fields.
Look at how the real war went, the Allies had to open 3 fronts on germany to make them crumble. As an Allied player you should make him commit troops to as many fronts as possible, the more, the quicker his manpower and oil will run out. Grind him down. You say he has a large Luftwaffe, then maybe you should target his oil to make him suffer....they won´t go anywhere without oil.
Maybe do strategic bombings over germany to get those fat PP producers like Paris Holland and most of all inside germany Rhur, Hamburg and so on. Wear his factory down with bombers from England and his PP will go down so much he won´t be able to replace the losses his precious Luftwaffe will take....
There are many ways to win the war, that is the joy with this game.....read some AAr as well, to get some idea of what is effective.
Good luck
Crazyg
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Crazygunner1
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It is fully possible for an skilled axis player to manage a large Luftwaffe like that....By using rail as much as possible even if it cost PPs and ground the airforce during winter on the Russian front. It is hard to say what he has done since i haven´t seen the game myself.Horseman wrote:How can your opponent be uing that many air unikts without running out of oil?!!
Must be around 60-80 oil per turn to use them all! And thats without you forcing his fighters to intercept in your turn.....let alone if he has any tanks, mech or navy!
I have had games as Axis player with this situation, just before summer offensive in May 42 i count in total 14 fighters, 6tacs 7 tanks and 19 mechs not to mention regular INF and a normal sized german navy with 1 BB, 1 DD and 4 Subs. about 750 of oil 83% manpower. This will consume a lot of oil therefore it is vital how you manage it....
If i could trade 50PPs for 15 oil i would do it in a heartbeat....that is worth considering.
Crazyg
How to counter this?
First each power which you plan will produce fighter units should max air (dog fight) labs since very start of the game (its 1st turn for Germany and Britain and a bit later for other powers) and build more of this labs as soon as its possible.
To have low tech fighters is even worse then having none - they will just provide your opponent with usefull PP delta while suffering major casualties.
If you see your fighters are much worse then opponent's and you don't have large numeric superiority or any particular goal, which is more important then casualties (key city to capture for example, or provide air support do destroy exposed valueable units) you should place fighters on centry and out of opponent's fighter spotting range (ideally out of attack range even).
If you are facing massive air-production strategy response with focusing flak techs (its tank destroyers for armour and artillery for infantry). With high flak value hostile air attacks will suffer heavy looses and maybe they will stop without any fighter cover at all.
I hope it may help.
First each power which you plan will produce fighter units should max air (dog fight) labs since very start of the game (its 1st turn for Germany and Britain and a bit later for other powers) and build more of this labs as soon as its possible.
To have low tech fighters is even worse then having none - they will just provide your opponent with usefull PP delta while suffering major casualties.
If you see your fighters are much worse then opponent's and you don't have large numeric superiority or any particular goal, which is more important then casualties (key city to capture for example, or provide air support do destroy exposed valueable units) you should place fighters on centry and out of opponent's fighter spotting range (ideally out of attack range even).
If you are facing massive air-production strategy response with focusing flak techs (its tank destroyers for armour and artillery for infantry). With high flak value hostile air attacks will suffer heavy looses and maybe they will stop without any fighter cover at all.
I hope it may help.
If you have this great force you are already winning the game. You don't have to manage oil - you have just to wait until the very endCrazygunner1 wrote:
I have had games as Axis player with this situation, just before summer offensive in May 42 i count in total 14 fighters, 6tacs 7 tanks and 19 mechs not to mention regular INF and a normal sized german navy with 1 BB, 1 DD and 4 Subs. about 750 of oil 83% manpower. This will consume a lot of oil therefore it is vital how you manage it....
Crazyg
