Trade and Treachery Companion 2 Errata Detected?

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:12 pm

Page 39, Italian War Venetian

Milanese allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies Milan option.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:13 pm

Gonna rename you "Ol' Eagle Eyes"!!

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:14 pm

Page 40, Italian Wars Venetian Allies

Artillery: Bases per BG 2, 3 or 4, Total bases 0-2. Applies to all three types. I presume that Bases per BG should be 2 but please confirm.

puster · Post by **puster** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:14 pm

timmy1 wrote:I believed that the planned army for Guyenne in 1522 was never assembled, I may have misread that. Agree for the others it is possible that they WERE Landsknechts, just can't see them reported as such in the sources. Again Bande Negra MAY have been Landsknechts but no evidence I have seen states that they WERE.

I think we agree Swiss and Landsknechts were not in the same Italian Wars French army in any campaign in 1521 / 1522.

Bande Negra, or Black Band, seems to have been a common name for elite mercenary bands of the time - from the Black army of Corvinus over the Schwarze Garde of northern Germany to the Bande Nere of Giovanni.

But the Black Bands of France had Landsknecht leaders in them that decided to remain in French service before Marignano and who died at Pavia. It is hard to believe that these were not in French service for the duration in between. The character of the unit as a "German" Landsknechts unit may of course have changed, with recruits coming as much from Geldern then from the traditional German areas, to a degree that they probably were not really seen as Landsknechts. The difference between "Lansquenet" and "Landsknecht" might be a bit deeper then mere language. Anyway, the Landsknechts of the French paid "Black Band" that was dissolveda after the debacle of Naples 1528 readily found individual service with the German units - though the Black Band of 28 was probably formed from German Landsknechts after the veteran core of the French Band was annihilated at Pavia.

But I think I can agree that the Swiss probably did not want to serve alongside Landsknechts, at least in Italy, before their pride took the major hit of Bicocca, so adding a rule that French armies in Italy between 1515 and 1522 can have either Landsknechts OR Swiss would not be wrong. On the other hand, gamers who DO care for historical authenticity will try to emulate historical compositions anyway, and others can simply claim that their army is from 1523 anyway.

Afaik the army assembled at Guyenne was originally planned to go to Navarra, too, but then the threat from Italy forced them to relocate and thus the army (or soldiers) were integrated into the army in the southeast. If we do not assume that the Landsknechts never showed up, or were released, this means that the French army there did contain Landsknecht units. I would have to read through my books for more information, though. Afaik there is no work out there that handles the campaings of these wars, and most information has to be dug out of biographies or general military works. If you can recommend anything, I would be glad to put it on my list. I wonder how good "Renaissance France at War by David Potter" is.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:20 pm

I also wonder but have got to be sure before I shell out 100 bucks for a book while I still have dozens of others to read...

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 pm

Page 81, Caroline Imperialist

Papal allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies The Papacy option.

Florentine allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies Florence option.

(I know that these may seem odd to ask but given that the rules have a following that includes players for whom English is not their first language it must be clear.)

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:12 pm

Page 82, Caroline Imperialist Allies

Spanish men-at-armes: Bases per BG 4-6, Total bases 0-4. Which is correct? From previous posts in this thread I presume Bases per BG of 4.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:20 pm

Page 29, Trastamara Spanish, Special Campaigns

Papal allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies The Papacy option.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:22 pm

Page 33, Italian States, Only Milan

Papal allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies The Papacy option.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:14 pm

timmy1 wrote:I think we agree Swiss and Landsknechts were not in the same Italian Wars French army in any campaign in 1521 / 1522.

Well unless someone organises a theme tournament in which all the armies have to be dated 1522, I don't see that this has any practical importance for the list.

Those who are doing historical refights can presumably avoid such a faux pas on their own.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:20 pm

timmy1 wrote:Page 81, Caroline Imperialist

Papal allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies The Papacy option.

Florentine allies ... Italian States. I presume that this is the Italian States Allies Florence option.

Obviously. As is standard practice in previous list books.

(I know that these may seem odd to ask but given that the rules have a following that includes players for whom English is not their first language it must be clear.)

I am sorry Tim, but these items do not constitute errata, and will not be appearing in the errata sheet, nor are likely to appear in any FAQ.

If common sense does not prevail, list checkers can rule on it as their own common sense dictates.

And if everyone concerned lacks the sense they were born with, then it is only a game.....

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:56 pm

Page 100, Elizabethan English Allies

Demi-lancers: Bases per BG 4-6, Total bases 0-4. Which is correct? From previous posts in this thread I presume Bases per BG of 4.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:13 pm

Page 107, French Wars of Religion - Huguenot

Medium Artillery, Poor, points listed as 12, should be 14.

Light Artillery, Poor, points listed as 8 should be 9.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:26 pm

Page 110, Early Eighty Years' War Dutch Allies

Fields guns: Bases per BG 2, 3 or 4, Total bases 0-2. Which is correct?

(I think I am done.)

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:29 pm

I was wrong, there is another one.

This is important (to me) because we are about to start refighting the French Wars of Religion at my club.

Page 107, French Wars of Religion - Huguenot.

Allies 'Dutch allies (only in 1591) - Early Eighty Years Dutch'. However that list runs 'until the military reforms of Maurice ... of Nassau in 1590' (also on page 107).

Which list should the ally be drawn from?

Regards
Tim