Basic Base camp Question

imanfasil · Post by **imanfasil** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:47 pm

Can I set up my base camp in any direction? It is 80x120 can I set it up where it appears 120x80?

They aren't generally a factor in our home games... the winner by definition burning the loser's camp as his army runs home to momma. Then again we don't play diaper-wearing light cavalry armies!

Thanks,
James

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:49 pm

You can set it up diagonally to the base edge if you wish - which can make sense in some cases

imanfasil · Post by **imanfasil** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:59 pm

Thanks I'd assumed so... but just wanted to make sure. Fine tuning our mad plans to make sure our perfect 0-400 team tournament score can't get broken up by a fluke of bad dice by our opponents.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:40 am

Your camp can go anywhere in any facing up to 10 MU from your baseline. 15MU if behind fortifications IIRC.

Polkovnik · Post by **Polkovnik** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:07 pm

I have another couple of questions about camps, that came up in our game last night.

A enemy BG won a combat and pursued into my camp, stepping forward into another of my BGs. Is this correct - does it treat the pursuit as a charge and step forward ?

What then happens in the combat ? Can the bases contacting the camp take part in the combat against my BG ?

If a BG is in contact with a camp, and is looting it, can it do anything to avoid being flank charged by an enemy BG ?

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:34 pm

A enemy BG won a combat and pursued into my camp, stepping forward into another of my BGs. Is this correct - does it treat the pursuit as a charge and step forward ?

I believe so - yes, because a pursuit is treated as a charge - hence the step forward.

What then happens in the combat ? Can the bases contacting the camp take part in the combat against my BG

Personally I don't think they should - but I don't believe this is covered in the rules - it's not something that you see very often.

If a BG is in contact with a camp, and is looting it, can it do anything to avoid being flank charged by an enemy BG ?

I don't believe so - no - this is covered on page 107.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:05 pm

petedalby wrote:
A enemy BG won a combat and pursued into my camp, stepping forward into another of my BGs. Is this correct - does it treat the pursuit as a charge and step forward ?
I believe so - yes, because a pursuit is treated as a charge - hence the step forward.

What then happens in the combat ? Can the bases contacting the camp take part in the combat against my BG
Personally I don't think they should - but I don't believe this is covered in the rules - it's not something that you see very often.

If a BG is in contact with a camp, and is looting it, can it do anything to avoid being flank charged by an enemy BG ?
I don't believe so - no - this is covered on page 107.

Camps are not targets for a charge and normally you move into contact with a normal move. Therefore I would think that a pursuit contacting a camp is treated similarly to meeting impassable terrain rather than as a charge and hence no stepping forward. I guess pursuers could continue pursuit if they could continue to follow the routers (e.g.the router's path wasn't entirely through the camp) by dropping back a file but not sure about that.

Chris

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:14 pm

Camps are not targets for a charge and normally you move into contact with a normal move. Therefore I would think that a pursuit contacting a camp is treated similarly to meeting impassable terrain rather than as a charge and hence no stepping forward.

I think you may be mistaken.

Yes - Page 78 says that troops move into contact with an enemy camp in the manoeuvre phase - and you cannot declare a charge against a camp.

But on Page 88 we have "an unfortified camp contacted by an enemy BG counts as immediately sacked" which could imply that a camp may be contacted in a pursuit move. I agree that the pursuit rules are silent on enemy camps - but why would our pursuing heroes ignore the spoils of the enemy camp laid out before them?

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:22 pm

petedalby wrote:
Camps are not targets for a charge and normally you move into contact with a normal move. Therefore I would think that a pursuit contacting a camp is treated similarly to meeting impassable terrain rather than as a charge and hence no stepping forward.
I think you may be mistaken.

Yes - Page 78 says that troops move into contact with an enemy camp in the manoeuvre phase - and you cannot declare a charge against a camp.

But on Page 88 we have "an unfortified camp contacted by an enemy BG counts as immediately sacked" which could imply that a camp may be contacted in a pursuit move. I agree that the pursuit rules are silent on enemy camps - but why would our pursuing heroes ignore the spoils of the enemy camp laid out before them?

That's why I wasn't sure if they could drop back to continue pursuit. It may be that they just stop when the camp is contacted. It would depend on whether pursuing or looting frenzy takes precedence. I can see the interpretation here going either way. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in the camp or looting rules that state a BG must cease all movement upon contacting the camp so I guess it would be allowed to complete its move, e.g. move into contact and then change face. Of course the latter would seem to allow drive by looting where a group could contact the camp with a side edge so it is instantly sacked and then move past the camp in the same move.

Sounds like there would be room for abuse here so camp sackers probably should be required to stop as soon as the camp is contacted.

Chris

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:29 pm

the latter would seem to allow drive by looting

Now that does sound good!

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:58 pm

batesmotel wrote:Sounds like there would be room for abuse here so camp sackers probably should be required to stop as soon as the camp is contacted.

Good point. Probably not significant abuse. But potentially odd.

The one key point is never camp equal to the camp you need to be forward of it as incidental contact is still a sack.

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:32 pm

I would agree that you can contact camps while pursuing but as you do not charge camps, there is no stepping forward in those.