charging units allready in combat

[papsterdino]

In dementia land a unit of 4 enemy light horse (B) charged 2 of my own light horse units ( A) about 70mm apart

BBB
BBB
AA AA
AA AA
CC
CC
CC

And impact and melee took place. as we understand it as he is active player no sliding to conform was able to take place. On my go i declared a charge with a unit of medium foot (C) who were 2 wide 3 deep. they were able to drop 1 base and form a column to miss friends and hit enemy light horse. My understanding is that (B) were an eligable target , and on manouvere phase that both (A) units and C) slide by minimum to line up if able

2 questions was B eligable as a target on my go? And the conforming which was to the left in this case legal as it removed unit( A) on my left into an overlap?

[lawrenceg]

In dementia land a unit of 4 enemy light horse (B) charged 2 of my own light horse units ( A) about 70mm apart

BBB
BBB
AA AA
AA AA
CC
CC
CC

And impact and melee took place. as we understand it as he is active player no sliding to conform was able to take place. On my go i declared a charge with a unit of medium foot (C) who were 2 wide 3 deep. they were able to drop 1 base and form a column to miss friends and hit enemy light horse. My understanding is that (B) were an eligable target , and on manouvere phase that both (A) units and C) slide by minimum to line up if able

2 questions was B eligable as a target on my go? And the conforming which was to the left in this case legal as it removed unit( A) on my left into an overlap?

I thought it was illegal to charge bases that are in close combat to their front, but page 53 prohibits only non-flank/rear
charges against the flank or rear edges of these bases.

So it looks as though the charge was legal (but I haven't checked the errata).

Conforming into an overlap position is also legal.

[grahambriggs]

All seems OK to me.

[johno]

Surely, if the enemy LH B are a BG of 4, as per the OP text (but not the diagram), then both frontages are already in contact, and, since the melee is fought "as if they had conformed", there is theoretically no exposed frontage to be charged?

If the situation is as the diagram ( B has 6 LH), then of course the MF can charge in, dropping a file to do so.

johno

[deadtorius]

A little hard to tell from your drawing, but your opponent as the charger could have moved into an overlap during his melee ,you can only meet an existing overlap or a newly created one during the opposing players turn. during the melee phase of your own turn you can make a new overlap.
as long as your med foot was charging a base that was only an overlap against you then could charge into that melee with the overlapping base as your target.

[papsterdino]

I cant quite get the picture to show them exact position of the troops try this each letter is a base
bb
bb
====80mm==== unit b (LH)charges 2 units d and c (LH) 70mm apart


dd cc he cant conform with either unit on his go
dd ===70mm===cc



====80mm==== on my go unit x (MF) declares a charge drops by one base to avoid friends, and then on manouvere
xx phase shoves unit d left into overlap position and c moves to left also as minimum required to line up
xx is this sequence correct
xx




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[philqw78]

I assume you mean this was the charge position. Blue charges first



The Enemy, blue, charges. Combat is fought. In your, red, turn the BG AB can charge, B dropping back. Then impact. Then in manouver it depends who has most frontal contact where the conform goes. From the above red would go right across the line.

[papsterdino]

That picture is perfect, the only difference on the table the shift was to the left, i am presuming the sequence is ok?

[zeitoun]

Hi all,

I don't think that it was possible to do this harge for Red. In the blue Melee turn you fight as if you are conform. So Red Left BG line up to the right and Red right BG line up to the left. So if you fight as if you are conform there is no place to charge ????

[deadtorius]

You can still charge as long as you can make contact with your opponent, its only after impact that you worry about conforming. If there was a gap due to the fact that blue could not conform and red could fit into the gap then red could charge. If blue can't conform in their turn then red would conform in their turn which will not happen until after impacts, and during its own movement phase.

[papsterdino]

ta very much for that i was 95% certain i was right but a small area of doubt was there