Lancer/swordsman POA against steady spears

stevesykes · Post by **stevesykes** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:55 pm

I may be wrong about this, but it looks like lancers get the lance poa against steady spearmen at impact and swordsman poa in continuing melee. This is a difference from the TT game. Does anyone know the rationale for this?

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:18 pm

Where are you getting that from? I (going from memory) believe lancers get a + in impact if they and target are in open , except vs steady off def spears/ pikes and i believe pacs and chariots and battle wagons (knightly lancers also get a + vs "normal lancers"

They do get the sword poa in melee (assuming they have them!)

CheerfullyInsane · Post by **CheerfullyInsane** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:13 pm

TheGrayMouser wrote:Where are you getting that from? I (going from memory) believe lancers get a + in impact if they and target are in open , except vs steady off def spears/ pikes and i believe pacs and chariots and battle wagons (knightly lancers also get a + vs "normal lancers"

They do get the sword poa in melee (assuming they have them!)

TGMs memory is quite right, ordered spearmen does negate the lancers +POA
The chariot exception is only applicable to scythed chariots though.

deeter · Post by **deeter** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:28 pm

Swords do not give a POA against steady pike/spear.

Deeter

stevesykes · Post by **stevesykes** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:08 pm

OK I accept that I may have got this wrong, but my impression is that lancers against steady spearmen comes out as even POA; if the lance POA does not apply, shouldn't the spearmen be at +?

Xiggy · Post by **Xiggy** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:11 pm

Spear would be +1. Assuming no bugs.

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:22 pm

stevesykes wrote:OK I accept that I may have got this wrong, but my impression is that lancers against steady spearmen comes out as even POA; if the lance POA does not apply, shouldn't the spearmen be at +?

Yes
I guess it is the semantics of it all that causes problems.
I look at it like this: calculate what each unit gets and then net it
The lance gets a + POA Except for vs steady spears impact, so it gets none, 0. The spear gets a + poa This nets out to spears + , lancer -. I get confused when people (Deeter

) state things like swords cancel spears etc etc) My feeble mind cant handle that
In the end it is correct but harder for me to visualise

stevesykes · Post by **stevesykes** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:36 am

I've got this wrong due to misremembering the TT rules; having reread them properly I see that the problem is not with the implementation of the game but with the operator! Early onset senior moment.