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BeansNFranks
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Swedish flags...

Post by BeansNFranks »

Do these look to be historically accurate?

http://www.principlesofwar.com/miva/mer ... Code=VFF10

I found these through Google, does anyone know of any other 10mm TYW flag vendors?
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Post by DanielS »

A few of them are but have been mislabled (Scots, Red rgt, Monroe) or have the colour wrong (middle cavalry standard), the other two cavalry standards seem correct if a bit crude. The "Uppland", "Altes Schwedisch...", "Blue" and "Yellow" regiments are all fakes.

A total of 205 Swedish flags have been preserved as paintings thanks to Möhner who painted the flags he saw in Augusburg, in the 1930's a Swedish researcher then copied them carefully by hand using watercolour paint, these copies are preserved in the Army museum and in the War Archive. So the sources are there for the flag maker willing to make the effort. The Army Museum has digital photos of the entire collection but purchasing the rights for commercial use will not be cheap if you want to reproduce the actual photos. (And previous abuse of their material has led to increased restrictions and prices for those of us that are honest)
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Post by JamesB »

DanielS,

Thank you for your expert view on this time period.

I'm soaking it up as quick as I can.

James
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Post by Andy1972 »

Good stuff Anleiher! :D Thanks! Now just to get my printer working. :wink:
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Post by Anleiher »

You're welcome. I'm painting my own Swedes at the moment. If I find anything else of use, I will post it as well.
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Post by DanielS »

Well I'm afraid that more than a few of the hz-forum flags are conjectural designs and rather poor one at that. A number of flags are based on the Möhner paintings which was published by Osprey but the reporductions are quite frankly crude with lost details and it's not only fine and ahrd to draw detail that has been lost but quite unexpectedly many Swedish cavalry standards have lost their fringes... A detail which isn't exactly hard to draw.
Conjectural flags include the "Västgöta Kav-Rgt 1632" which is frankly rubbish as it is no more than the Green regiment flags rearranged. The maker didn't even have enough imagination to use the Uppland or one of the other cavalry regiments as a pattern for a set of conjectural cavalry standards but rather simply chose the Green regiment because the colour of the two was the same. Talk about expecting your viewer to be ignorant and easy to fool.
Then you have the "Smaland Inf-Rgt, 1628" and "Västgöta Inf-Rgt" which are almost as bad, the flags are merly versions of the modern Swedish flag with imaginary colours. The small problem is of course that that particular design was not used at all by Swedish regimental colours in this period. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence for the use of a ordinary cross in Swedish military flags used on land at the time. (Naval ensigns was diffrent). The actual cross reported by eyewitnesses was the Saltire.

The list can be made longer but i'll stop here for now.
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