No Scots/Irish warriors for the Swedes?

[vichussar]

In the DBR Swedish TYW list there is an entry for "Raw regiments of mixed Scots & Irish" classed as Warband available pre 1634.

I was a little disappointed to see nothing similar in the Early TYW Swedish list. In FoGR this could be the equivalent of the "Unregimented Highlanders (Warriors)", from the Scots Royalist" list and restricted to 0-1 BG's of 6-8 bases.
As it stands I have 6 bases of Highlanders with mixed bow, musket and sword & targ but only usable with DBR.
regards,
John Mc

[rbodleyscott]

In the DBR Swedish TYW list there is an entry for "Raw regiments of mixed Scots & Irish" classed as Warband available pre 1634.

I was a little disappointed to see nothing similar in the Early TYW Swedish list. In FoGR this could be the equivalent of the "Unregimented Highlanders (Warriors)", from the Scots Royalist" list and restricted to 0-1 BG's of 6-8 bases.
As it stands I have 6 bases of Highlanders with mixed bow, musket and sword & targ but only usable with DBR.
regards,
John Mc

They are not realistic for a TYW army.

See (for example):

http://warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com/2010 ... again.html

[david53]

In the DBR Swedish TYW list there is an entry for "Raw regiments of mixed Scots & Irish" classed as Warband available pre 1634.

I was a little disappointed to see nothing similar in the Early TYW Swedish list. In FoGR this could be the equivalent of the "Unregimented Highlanders (Warriors)", from the Scots Royalist" list and restricted to 0-1 BG's of 6-8 bases.
As it stands I have 6 bases of Highlanders with mixed bow, musket and sword & targ but only usable with DBR.
regards,
John Mc

Thats strange as the Scots who joined the Swedish army after the Danish intervention had been fighting both with Mansfeld and the Danish army for a couple of years and could hardly be called raw troops IMO. Not a expert but I did'nt think there was many if any Irish troops in the Swedish army might have been in the Imperial in fact I know there was quite a few Irish troops in the Spainish Imperial army

[Spartacus]

I have seen somewhere on this World Web thingy in the last day or two a Flag for a Scottish unit in a 1635 French Army, But probably in a small action and none too prevelant.

Cool! That post gave me a Warrior Icon. And all for rubbish

[nickdives]

I have a unit of P&S Jockanease, just another 6 base P&S unit, Testudo figures look just like standard TYW troops but with bonnets. This may be poetic licence as I suspect that the Pike would have worn helmets.

To be honest my only concern is whether they would fight as a "Swedish" Bde, the thought of them as a mad howling horde did not enter into it, as everything I have read, not much and mostly Osprey has them comming over on the ferry with kilts, Rangers scarves and wild orange hair to be greeted and kitted out by whoever was hiring them in standard kit to operate as a P&S unit.

Daniel?!!!!

[DanielS]

As already mentioned the Scots in Swedish service had a more than a fair bit of experience under their belts, the 'Swedish' regiments had been fighting in Prussia and Livonia througout the 1620's while the ex-Danish regiments had earned their reputation the hard way at Stralsund and elsewhere. These "old' regiments would be be impossible to tell apart from the German and Native Swedish units as far as apperance was concerned. They were issued the same clothing and equippment and the ex-Danish regiments would have what survived of the kit issued them by Christian IV. I doubt they even wore bonnets as the musket were supposed to wear helmets like all Swedish musketeers. But from a visual point of view the bonnets are a nice touch and even I use them to to distinguish my scots from the rest of the army.

The famous Stettin print by Köler showed men of the "English Army" of the Marquis of Hamilton which included a Scots & Irish regiment. As was typical of all too many of the levies of troops raised in England logistic support was a wretched affair and the 'army' lost men faster than any other unit allied to the Swedes from desertion and disease. The men arrived poorly clothed & equipped so for once the notion of the men going about in their old clothing may be accurate.

The Scots used the same fighting methods as the rest of the Swedish army, at least that is the assumption as it is Scots officers who supply much of what we know about Swedish tactics as far as the infantry is concerned.