Later Spanish & Portuguese

[nikgaukroger]

Richard asks:

The Spanish lists in Wars of Religion do not treat any tercios as “Later Tercios” after 1643. Presumably this should apply to this list too – assuming that, although they were still called tercios, they in fact operated similarly to other pike and shot of the era. (As the blurb does in fact suggest).

[nikgaukroger]

I'd ask about the Grenadiers - were they actually a separate unit or, as with all other nations, companies within regiments that fought with them. As far as I can see for other nations in this period it was not yet the practice to separate out the grenadier companies as an elite force other than at sieges. Were the Spanish different, and innovators in this?

[nikgaukroger]

If the Spanish retained pikemen's armour through the period were all units so equipped or would some be lacking?

Same for the Portuguese.

[robertthebruce]

Richard asks:

The Spanish lists in Wars of Religion do not treat any tercios as “Later Tercios” after 1643. Presumably this should apply to this list too – assuming that, although they were still called tercios, they in fact operated similarly to other pike and shot of the era. (As the blurb does in fact suggest).

I´d classified the Tercios as (LT) because instead of the most of Spanish ones had a small number in this period, as blurb says, some foreing Tercios (Irish and Italians) kept their number around 1000-1200 mens, but this is and exception, not the rule. I have no problem with removing the (LT) formation.

[robertthebruce]

I'd ask about the Grenadiers - were they actually a separate unit or, as with all other nations, companies within regiments that fought with them. As far as I can see for other nations in this period it was not yet the practice to separate out the grenadier companies as an elite force other than at sieges. Were the Spanish different, and innovators in this?

I´m not sure Nick, I´m looking for more information of them, In the review of the army in 1685, they appears as "12 Independent companies of Grenadiers", but it don´t mean that they fought as independent units. Still working on it.

I added the impact foot POA for them, as way to represent the grenades threw before the contact, If it´s a problem, maybe an upgrade to superior could be a good solution, but it should be commented in the blurb.

[robertthebruce]

If the Spanish retained pikemen's armour through the period were all units so equipped or would some be lacking?

Same for the Portuguese.

Ups, sorry, the most of Provincial and auxiliar Tercios, and some of the Tercios in foreing lands were unarmoured, this option should be included, in fact only some veterans and Tercios viejos should have the armoured option.

Maybe 3 or 4 Spanish and Tercios de las naciones should have this option, and all the Tercios Viejos.

Same for Portuguese, there was 4 veterans Tercos in portugal (Lisbon, Alentejo, Algarve and Estremadura), armoured option for them could be fine, unarmoured for the others.

[robertthebruce]

I have revised the last beta version of the list, only a few comments:


Later Spanish


I agree, with the final decision about the grenadiers and the comment in the blurb.


Dragoons should be available in Flanders only from 1674. The first tercio of Dragoons in flanders were created in 1673 and used the first time in 1674.

Later Restoration Portuguese

I have consulted some Portuguese players, one of them, author of a very good website about the Portuguese army in this period.

All ok, but the Cavalheiros should be called "cavalos couraças" and the arquebusiers as " arcabuzeiros a cavalo".

The Terco of marines can be added with the veterans tercos "Terco of Marines and Veterans"



David.

[rbodleyscott]

Later Spanish


Dragoons should be available in Flanders only from 1674. The first tercio of Dragoons in flanders were created in 1673 and used the first time in 1674.

David, do you mean that Dragoons can only be used in Flanders, and only from 1674. Or did you mean that in Flanders they can only be used from 1674, but elsewhere they can be used throughout the period?

[robertthebruce]

David, do you mean that Dragoons can only be used in Flanders, and only from 1674. Or did you mean that in Flanders they can only be used from 1674, but elsewhere they can be used throughout the period?

In Flanders can be used Only from 1674. They can be used in Spain and Italy throughout the period.



The Evidence:

http://usuarios.multimania.es/ao1617/or ... ml#cavalry

See 2.2.3 Spanish Dragoons.