Polish List

[nikgaukroger]

24 would be OK IMO.

[spring]

Talking about Polish stuff... check this link i found on The Miniatures Page:

http://ilovewargameing.21.forumer.com/v ... php?t=2844

[nickdives]

I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-

6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf

some guns!

In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.

Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?

cheers

[david53]

I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-

6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf

some guns!

In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.

Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?

cheers

Some good dice just joking I take it there is some LH among these fine troops

[nickdives]

Lt Cav = Light Cavalry = Light Horse = LH!!!!

[nikgaukroger]

I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-

6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf

some guns!

In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.

Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?

cheers

Well the problem I see is that over that period the infantry changed a couple of times as did equipment for some of the other troops.

[rbodleyscott]

I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-

6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf

some guns!

In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.

Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?

cheers

Well the problem I see is that over that period the infantry changed a couple of times as did equipment for some of the other troops.

And I think you will find that you need more infantry when facing a western army with plenty of pike/shot. You will have to be very lucky to ride down pike and shot, even with your hussars, unless the infantry are of Poor quality. If the dice gods are with you, you may ride down Average pike & shot, but it is hardly a winning strategy on balance. (The enemy cavalry are a different matter).

[david53]

Lt Cav = Light Cavalry = Light Horse = LH!!!!

Clever so clever now I thought Lt Cavalry = Cavalry = Cavalry and Light Horse = Light Horse = LH!!!!!!!


Since in FOG R Cavalry arn'nt Horse or Light Horse they are something different!!!!!!

[nickdives]

The Polish infantry will be from the Legio Heroica range, I will be able to supplement them from my generic German P&S units where required. My aim will be to have enough units for the earlier periods when armies were often up to 50% Hussar to the Vienna period.

[nikgaukroger]

The Polish infantry will be from the Legio Heroica range, I will be able to supplement them from my generic German P&S units where required. My aim will be to have enough units for the earlier periods when armies were often up to 50% Hussar to the Vienna period.

I believe that after around 1630 hussar numbers declined quite dramatically and the armoured cossacks (later called Pancerni) becoming the most numerous mounted troops - although your numbers of bases will allow for this.

[madcam2us]

Well the problem I see is that over that period the infantry changed a couple of times as did equipment for some of the other troops.

And I think you will find that you need more infantry when facing a western army with plenty of pike/shot. You will have to be very lucky to ride down pike and shot, even with your hussars, unless the infantry are of Poor quality. If the dice gods are with you, you may ride down Average pike & shot, but it is hardly a winning strategy on balance. (The enemy cavalry are a different matter).

Yet the axe weilders Nik has already said in this thread are more cheerleaders vs quality foot. I'm assuming the Poles will be able to get a contingent of German P/S too? I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer.....

Madcam.

[nikgaukroger]

Yet the axe weilders Nik has already said in this thread are more cheerleaders vs quality foot.

Not exactly.

IMO the mounted will win games for the Poles - I didn't say how ...

[rbodleyscott]

I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer......

For this you also need to consider the quality of the Swedish forces in the earlier stages of the conflict - in particular their suitability/experience for facing the threat posed by the hussars.

[madcam2us]

I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer......

For this you also need to consider the quality of the Swedish forces in the earlier stages of the conflict - in particular their suitability/experience for facing the threat posed by the hussars.

GA thought enough of his experiences vs the Poles that some authors make the case he copied/learned much from fighting the Poles that lead to his early successes vs the Germans. Namely the emphasis on the cavalry charge with a close range discharge vs the caracole. Still, I thought it a lack of enough mounted that lead to him not wanting to take on the Poles far from his fortress. I hope early Swedish armies are hamstrung in their mounted compositions.

Madcam.

[madcam2us]

I guess my concern, coming from FOG:A is the steppe armies having a woefull selection of troops - (Hun, Mongols, Bulgar etc come to mind) that make for a rather dull game and doesn't recreate their battlefield prowess due to the limits of a 6x4 table. Will the Poles (and their like) be so one dimensional that one will be forced to place a BUA fully forwards and flank march every game in order to produce results....

Vienna doesn't look like Constantinople today for a reason...

Madcam.

[nickdives]

Anyway my first batch of Poles arrived from Italy today, Legio Heroica, superb figures, one of the command groups is shown in FOG (R) based on the Osprey picture. Once painted I am sure they will desrve every POA they are allocated!!!

[nikgaukroger]

GA thought enough of his experiences vs the Poles that some authors make the case he copied/learned much from fighting the Poles that lead to his early successes vs the Germans. Namely the emphasis on the cavalry charge with a close range discharge vs the caracole.

Gustavus' cavalry tactics were, to all intents, just the normal cuirassier tactics as used by, say, Henri IV and Maurice.

Still, I thought it a lack of enough mounted that lead to him not wanting to take on the Poles far from his fortress. I hope early Swedish armies are hamstrung in their mounted compositions.

Madcam.

Swedish horse is, to some degree, hamstrung as late as Breitenfeld ...

[timmy1]

Nik is right. I fought 2 Polish armies at Britcon with Swedes. The hussars are terrifying even for Armoured, Superior, Determined Horse, if you lose the Impact (and mine were Average!).

[madcam2us]

Anyway my first batch of Poles arrived from Italy today, Legio Heroica, superb figures, one of the command groups is shown in FOG (R) based on the Osprey picture. Once painted I am sure they will desrve every POA they are allocated!!!

Agreed!! i was able to get 1/2 of my shot, artillery and my commanders from Legio when a dealer was clearing out old stock. Unfortunately he had already sold off the Hussars.

I went with Old Glory for my Panceri 1/2 shot and hussars.

I have been accused in the past as being a sock puppet for OG. Stay away from the hussars in this line (OG). While they are strait out of the Ospreys' the rider is out of scale with the mount and the figure suffers from a torso and head much too large for the legs and arms.

their Panceri and shot are recommended though. better scale and mixes with the Legio figures. I think the OG are bit better due to having more poses, but YMMV>

Madcam.

[madcam2us]

Nik is right. I fought 2 Polish armies at Britcon with Swedes. The hussars are terrifying even for Armoured, Superior, Determined Horse, if you lose the Impact (and mine were Average!).

Without giving away the points... Would you care to post their lists?

It would give us CONUS waiting till the 21st some sense of what is needed for painting...


Madcam.