More ?? on Dragoons

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:54 pm

1. Do they start as mounted and dismount at some point? Or do they stay in their dismounted form for the entire battle?

2. The Warlord Dragoons comes with 12 mounted and 12 foot. Can I use the mounted versions as another BG of Horse of some sort?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:26 pm

Blathergut wrote:1. Do they start as mounted and dismount at some point? Or do they stay in their dismounted form for the entire battle?

The latter. They are supposed to have a couple of horses and a horse holder on the base with the dismounted dragoons. However, they are on a distinctive sized base, so I don't suppose anybody will be too strict about that.

2. The Warlord Dragoons comes with 12 mounted and 12 foot. Can I use the mounted versions as another BG of Horse of some sort?

Yes, although if I recall the look of the figures on the box they will make a fairly disreputable BG of horse.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:28 am

Thanks!

The more disreputable the better!

Hopefully there's something in the NMA/Parliamentary lists to fit!!

The mounted dudes all have muskets of one flavour or another, mostly shooting them or holding them.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:06 am

Blathergut wrote:Thanks!

The more disreputable the better!

Hopefully there's something in the NMA/Parliamentary lists to fit!!

The mounted dudes all have muskets of one flavour or another, mostly shooting them or holding them.

Which would mean that they would only really be suitable (at a pinch) for some Parliamentary Harquebusier horse.

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:32 pm

I had thought about using mine for light horse, unless there are no light horse in ECW armies

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:41 pm

I'll keep them boxed until we see the lists.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:42 am

deadtorius wrote:I had thought about using mine for light horse, unless there are no light horse in ECW armies

There are no LH in ECW armies - except Mosstroopers in Scots armies. But you only get 4 bases, and they should probably be depicted as lancers.

Parliamentary armies can have some Poor Unarmoured Carbine/Pistol Horse from 1643, at the bargain price of 7 points each. Make good supports for Average troops, and the figures would probably do OK for them.

They would be fine for Unarmoured Bandellier Reiter in a 30YW German army.

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:29 pm

looks like were off to a good start for a 30YW continental army then......

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:06 pm

Ya, I'll tuck them away for now and use them for the eventual German army or something such.

mellis1644 · Post by **mellis1644** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:06 pm

BTW, I would assume that the Warlord firelocks may actually work for dragoons, if based correctly of course. So if your short of dismounted dragoon's that may be an option. A horse on the base is always cool for dragoons though.

The use of riding boots was the only real difference between dragoons and normal foot. They used matchlock initially or as the war went on more advanced lock muskets (not carbines) so the length was the same as foot. From the web it seems the Warlord plastic firelocks could, with the correct paint job to make them look like they are waring boots work for ECW period dragoons.

I have not seen the figs in real life but this is an assumption from the picture below.

http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/ekmps/sh ... ainted.jpg

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:17 pm

Am good. I have the 12 dismounted figures 3-to-a-base plus a horse or two per base. So 4 bases of dragoons to start. Just about have them finished. (Just don't look tooooo closely at the horses!)

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:00 am

Blathergut wrote:Am good. I have the 12 dismounted figures 3-to-a-base plus a horse or two per base. So 4 bases of dragoons to start. Just about have them finished. (Just don't look tooooo closely at the horses!)

The ECW lists are allowed 6 dragoons. However, BGs of 3 are rather vulnerable (to cohesion tests) and you may well be better off with just the one BG of 4.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:24 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
Blathergut wrote:Am good. I have the 12 dismounted figures 3-to-a-base plus a horse or two per base. So 4 bases of dragoons to start. Just about have them finished. (Just don't look tooooo closely at the horses!)
The ECW lists are allowed 6 dragoons. However, BGs of 3 are rather vulnerable (to cohesion tests) and you may well be better off with just the one BG of 4.

Have people been running them in 2paks? How have they worked? I'll assume one unlucky death roll and poof! Can they shoot two ranks deep with those 60mm depth bases? They move like Horse?

david53 · Post by **david53** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:51 pm

Blathergut wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
Blathergut wrote:Am good. I have the 12 dismounted figures 3-to-a-base plus a horse or two per base. So 4 bases of dragoons to start. Just about have them finished. (Just don't look tooooo closely at the horses!)
The ECW lists are allowed 6 dragoons. However, BGs of 3 are rather vulnerable (to cohesion tests) and you may well be better off with just the one BG of 4.
Have people been running them in 2paks? How have they worked? I'll assume one unlucky death roll and poof! Can they shoot two ranks deep with those 60mm depth bases? They move like Horse?

Not seen them in twos threes yes, people though they suffered with the test required with one hit so don't know about BGs in 2's.

Only shoot from the front rank as far as i know.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:24 pm

Blathergut wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
Blathergut wrote:Am good. I have the 12 dismounted figures 3-to-a-base plus a horse or two per base. So 4 bases of dragoons to start. Just about have them finished. (Just don't look tooooo closely at the horses!)
The ECW lists are allowed 6 dragoons. However, BGs of 3 are rather vulnerable (to cohesion tests) and you may well be better off with just the one BG of 4.
Have people been running them in 2paks? How have they worked? I'll assume one unlucky death roll and poof! Can they shoot two ranks deep with those 60mm depth bases? They move like Horse?

2s are probably better than 3s, but the only lists that allow them are ones that don't have more than 4 dragoons in total. We don't want dragoon swarms!

They only shoot 1 rank deep.

mellis1644 · Post by **mellis1644** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:32 pm

Just realised, from the above thread that the FOG:AM limit of always having even numbers in stands in a unit must not apply to FoG:R. Interesting...

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:54 pm

mellis1644 wrote:Just realised, from the above thread that the FOG:AM limit of always having even numbers in stands in a unit must not apply to FoG:R. Interesting...

Well there isn't one in FoG:AM either, they are allowed if the army list specifically allows them - although they are only 9's

FoG:R lists specify which BGs can be odd numbers.

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