Where can you find the latest BHGS rankings?

nigelemsen · Post by **nigelemsen** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:33 pm

Does anyone know where the latest BHGS rankings are published after Rampage 2010 please?

The BHGS site still shows dec 2009.

Many thanks

david53 · Post by **david53** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:29 am

I would'nt imigine they'll be done until the start of Britcon now .

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:31 pm

I have to admit to being rather remis on the rankings of late. There have been plans to use the data in the Hall of Honour to produce BHGS rankings but there are problems all over trying to do it. As a result I didn't update the rankings because I hoped that the work involved would not be needed.

Now we are nearing Britcon and we have yet to sort out a way to use the Hall of Honour to do this so I updated the rankings last week and sent them for adding to the BHGS site.

There should I hope be an update soon and then another update for Britcon which will have the Oxford Doubles results added in along with any other July tournaments.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:44 am

What's your view on Rampage featuring in the BHGS rankings Hammy?

It was advertised as contributing to the BHGS rankings and I & others see no reason why it shouldn't - but there is another view that because of the format it is not suitable?

I understand why they won't / can't appear in the FoG rankings because of the format.

I do of course have a vested interest....

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:50 am

petedalby wrote:What's your view on Rampage featuring in the BHGS rankings Hammy?

It was advertised as contributing to the BHGS rankings and I & others see no reason why it shouldn't - but there is another view that because of the format it is not suitable?

I understand why they won't / can't appear in the FoG rankings because of the format.

I do of course have a vested interest....

Individual games at rampage were 'odd', uneven points etc. But BHGS rankings are based on placings in the competition not individual game results. And I personally don't give a monkeys either way. Its just nice to know.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:55 am

philqw78 wrote:
petedalby wrote:What's your view on Rampage featuring in the BHGS rankings Hammy?

It was advertised as contributing to the BHGS rankings and I & others see no reason why it shouldn't - but there is another view that because of the format it is not suitable?

I understand why they won't / can't appear in the FoG rankings because of the format.

I do of course have a vested interest....
Individual games at rampage were 'odd', uneven points etc. But BHGS rankings are based on placings in the competition not individual game results. And I personally don't give a monkeys either way. Its just nice to know.

OK, they won't - now you know

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:01 am

OK, they won't - now you know

Struggling to undestand why not Nik? A lot of people went - it's a good competition - why wouldn't it qualify?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:55 am

The format - it would not be comparing like with like and the rankings have not included such comps.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:44 am

The format - it would not be comparing like with like and the rankings have not included such comps.

Okay - but the same format was used last year and they counted for the BHGS rankings then?

As Phil noted earlier - it's about relative placing - not who beat who.

But if that's the decision please let the organisers know for next year.

Cheers

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:00 am

Another mountain to climb Pete. Bloody beaurocracy.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:41 am

As far as I am concerned Rampage will be included in the BHGS rankings. While the games are not individually even points each player had the same resources and options so as far as placings go a win is a win.

Including Rampage in the Hall of Honour is on the other hand a bit more of a problem as the ELO rankings assume each game has each player with equal army strength.

Rampage is one of the problem comps for using the Hall of Honour to generate the BHGS rankings. The other one that causes huge problems is campaign where we combine the different divisions and then weight scores to calculate an individual placing for the rankings.

Suffice to say that Rampage and Campaign are in the set of rankings I sent for putting on the website.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:50 am

As far as I am concerned Rampage will be included in the BHGS rankings.

Thank you Hammy

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:52 am

Oooo. Division in MiniTrue. Big Brother may have to step in.

JD when he had more hair

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:08 am

hammy wrote:As far as I am concerned Rampage will be included in the BHGS rankings. While the games are not individually even points each player had the same resources and options so as far as placings go a win is a win.

Including Rampage in the Hall of Honour is on the other hand a bit more of a problem as the ELO rankings assume each game has each player with equal army strength.

Rampage is one of the problem comps for using the Hall of Honour to generate the BHGS rankings. The other one that causes huge problems is campaign where we combine the different divisions and then weight scores to calculate an individual placing for the rankings.

Suffice to say that Rampage and Campaign are in the set of rankings I sent for putting on the website.

Would appear I am behind the times - for some reason I though we hadn't included Rampage last year because of the format. Apologies to Pete for misinformation

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:48 pm

No worries Nik! We got there in the end.

It would be a shame if alternative formats weren't included. I think Simon and Peter should be applauded for trying something different. And for sad people like me who are only allowed out to play on a limited number of occasions, choosing the right qualifying competitions is quite important.

See you guys at Britcon!

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:34 pm

The rankings are now belatedly on the BHGS site.

Sorry for the tardy (well frankly non existent) updates. If anyone is really interested in the intermediate months data I do have it filed away.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:36 am

Hammy - probably needed if the Britcon seedings are going to include results after June 30th... (unless they are being done off secret data just to inflame the Boy Porter's suspicions...)

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:01 am

timmy1 wrote:Hammy - probably needed if the Britcon seedings are going to include results after June 30th... (unless they are being done off secret data just to inflame the Boy Porter's suspicions...)

The rankings should update each month. That means that there will be another update for the end of July before Britcon.

The end of July update will include the Oxford doubles and any other July comps.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:58 pm

Given Pete's dommination of the BHGS FoG ranksing of late

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And for sad people like me who are only allowed out to play on a limited number of occasions, choosing the right qualifying competitions is quite important.
'

Maybe the qualification for a BHGS ranking tournament should become 'any tournament that Pete Dalby did not play in'. Just a an idea... :)

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:05 pm

Given Pete's dommination of the BHGS FoG ranksing of late

I'm sure it won't last beyond Britcon Tim!