Conforming on an angled charge

Petefloro · Post by **Petefloro** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:02 pm

Oh well...failed humour, because if you have to explain it, it's failed!

oh well - as long as you think it's funny.

But....the "get a life" is because of all the posts above referring to people spending too much time on this mega thread (e.g., spending time to create the photo of G*D saying, "It is C").

That was my attempt at humour - sorry,obviously you didn't find it funny. It was a throw away line really and it took just a few minutes of my time to do, compared to the hours/days certain people(ahem) have pondered and laboured over this thread. And at the end of the quest we are told " It is C" and " Life is too short". That is Monty Python. I choked on my tea at that point. The irony. Class.

Bye the way, what is the laden velocity of the African swallow?

Off for a pint now.

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:26 pm

You must form all question to the 'ALLMIGHTY" as multiple choice.
K -Type questions are forbidden.

So for proper form:

What is the laden velocity of the African swallow?
A) 12
B) Burma
C) 3.1745 Khz / min
D) Former PM John Major

Now we should get a "Proper" Answer which can be placed in its rightful place in gaming cannon.

Gino
SMAC

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:15 pm

kal5056 wrote:You must form all question to the 'ALLMIGHTY" as multiple choice.
K -Type questions are forbidden.

So for proper form:

What is the laden velocity of the African swallow?
A) 12
B) Burma
C) 3.1745 Khz / min
D) Former PM John Major

Now we should get a "Proper" Answer which can be placed in its rightful place in gaming cannon.

Gino
SMAC

The answer to this is clearly 42.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:33 pm

Petefloro wrote: oh well - as long as you think it's funny.

I thought so at the time.

Petefloro wrote: That was my attempt at humour - sorry,obviously you didn't find it funny.

I did. It was very funny. Did I forget to put in the emoticons in reponse???? Honest, I would never, ever seriously suggest that because someone frequently posts on this forum or any other forum or makes any other personal, but harmless choice on their path to their death that they should "get a life".

That is far too presumptuous a statement to make. And, personally, I find discussions about wargame rules far more valuable and informative than 99% of what is found in daily newspapers and 99.99% more than what's on TV "news" programs.

Petefloro wrote: And at the end of the quest we are told " It is C" and " Life is too short". That is Monty Python. I choked on my tea at that point. The irony. Class.

A classic. Should be the leading quote for FOG V2.0 I would think.

Petefloro wrote: Bye the way, what is the laden velocity of the African swallow?

I don't......aaaaaaaaargh!

*pause*

Phew! Thank goodness for the reincarnation function.

Petefloro wrote: Off for a pint now.

Enjoy.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:34 pm

dave_r wrote: The answer to this is clearly 42.

Only if you multiple 6 African swallows with 9 European ones.

...but they need not be in a rectangular formation as this is a compulsory multiplication.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:20 am

shadowdragon wrote:I'd go with Phil 'cause he's Phil, plays with toy solders and has no common sense or life.

I'll take that as a compliment. And as for a life I don't just play toy soldiers, I'm having a shrubbery arranged and designed tomorrow.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:56 am

I have been thinking about this question and did a couple of diagrams which are a slightly more extreme version of the one at the start of the thread

So is the first or the second the shortest move?

IMO the second diagram hase bases moving the shorter distances. Heck, in the first diagram one of the conforming bases moves so far than none of it occupies any of the space it did before the conform.

Thoughts?

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:50 am

Thoughts?

Roll a dice! This is the official solution as the rules allow both conforms.

My advise: Rule it one way or another in the FAQs.

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:00 pm

You only gave 2 choices therefore the question cannot be answered.

As it has been spoketh "It is C"

Gino
SMAC

rogerg · Post by **rogerg** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:58 pm

There may be some issues with the scale of the diagram. However, the first position, with the mutual overlap is what I would expect. Usually the position of the corner in contact is the best guide. If that corner is moved to the closest enemy base corner on the edge it is touching, then it should be correct. Unless someone can think of some alternative geometry

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:40 pm

hammy wrote:I have been thinking about this question and did a couple of diagrams which are a slightly more extreme version of the one at the start of the thread
So is the first or the second the shortest move?

IMO the second diagram hase bases moving the shorter distances. Heck, in the first diagram one of the conforming bases moves so far than none of it occupies any of the space it did before the conform.

Thoughts?

Thats exactly why I went with scenario A = result B in the original example. keeps them more located at the spot they contact (in all situations for a frontal angled charge). The very simple measure would be based on the corner that moves the furthest.

One of the elegant measuring principles from DBx.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:42 pm

expendablecinc wrote:Thats exactly why I went with scenario A = result B in the original example. keeps them more located at the spot they contact (in all situations for a frontal angled charge). The very simple measure would be based on the corner that moves the furthest.

One of the elegant measuring principles from DBx.

Really?

By DBx measuring principles then the answer is C or the first picture I showed.

For the BGs to end up in the mutual overlap then the distance traveled by virtually every corner of the conforming bases is higher.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:21 am

hammy wrote:
expendablecinc wrote:Thats exactly why I went with scenario A = result B in the original example. keeps them more located at the spot they contact (in all situations for a frontal angled charge). The very simple measure would be based on the corner that moves the furthest.

One of the elegant measuring principles from DBx.
Really?

By DBx measuring principles then the answer is C or the first picture I showed.

The first picture you showed is mutual overlap. Did you mean the second picture without overlaps?

For the BGs to end up in the mutual overlap then the distance traveled by virtually every corner of the conforming bases is higher.

I agree that by DBx measurements the non-overlapping match has less movement. Now it seems like the authors need to clarify how the shortest displacement should be measured in cases involving a rotation as well as a linear displacement.

Chris

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:24 am

kal5056 wrote:You only gave 2 choices therefore the question cannot be answered.

As it has been spoketh "It is C"

Gino
SMAC

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:10 am

Fortunately we don't move in circles here...

We do have a clear answer from one of the authors (ok, not so clear, because it was first C, then B, then throw a dice), so we know all that it can be played both ways. So every time it occurs, it will depend on the actual ruling of the umpire or even better and once and for all: a future entry in the FAQs.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:56 am

batesmotel wrote:The first picture you showed is mutual overlap. Did you mean the second picture without overlaps?

shall · Post by **shall** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:50 am

I have been thinking about this question and did a couple of diagrams which are a slightly more extreme version of the one at the start of the thread

So is the first or the second the shortest move?

IMO the second diagram hase bases moving the shorter distances. Heck, in the first diagram one of the conforming bases moves so far than none of it occupies any of the space it did before the conform.

Thoughts?

FWIW

You don't have to conform to the base you are touching but it is likely.
You can go to an overlap position, but an overlap only exists if there is a front edge next to it at the time (could be from same BG conforming).
It is then smply shortest distance.
We don't define this precisely but I have always played front bases only, and whatever is the shortest move for those bases.
I rule that by looking at the two front corners and seeing how far they have to move.
If its equal lob a dice, but not had to do that yet.

Si

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:59 am

shall wrote: We don't define this precisely but I have always played front bases only, and whatever is the shortest move for those bases.
I rule that by looking at the two front corners and seeing how far they have to move.
If its equal lob a dice, but not had to do that yet.[/list]

It's also possible, depending on the angle and frontage, that one end of a BG conforms in one direction, the other end in the other direction, "splitting" the BG. I'd do a diagram, but Hammy's shows it if you extend it along. So it would remain unconformed, I assume.

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:01 pm

philqw78 wrote:
shadowdragon wrote:I'd go with Phil 'cause he's Phil, plays with toy solders and has no common sense or life.
I'll take that as a compliment. And as for a life I don't just play toy soldiers, I'm having a shrubbery arranged and designed tomorrow.

As intended. How others perceive it is, I guess, their problem.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:33 am

shadowdragon wrote:
phil the shrubber wrote:I'm having a shrubbery arranged and designed tomorrow.
As intended. How others perceive it is, I guess, their problem.

I didn't like it so sent them for another one, more of a split level job with a path down the middle. Then a big argument started.