The hoplon (shield) by itself doesn't make the hoplite armoured. So they may well have been handed down but not used with an old fashioned metal cuirass.grumblefish wrote:bug: Later Hellenistic Sparta army list has 0-0 as the limit for the hoplites. Therefore, you cannot take any hoplites (although the pikemen are still available; how about making a special class of neodamodeis hoplites at superior pretty please)
possible bug: Hellenistic Achaians have pikemen as a necessary unit, possibly the other lists do, too; to the best of my knowledge Aratus did not use pikemen, and hellenistic greek armies were still fielding hoplites, only now supported with many thureophoroi and various skirmisher types. This is a fairly big thing for the game, because the Later Hellenistic Sparta army list appears to be Cleomenes' army, which was pike-based and therefore unique compared to his Achaean neighbours.
Right, but I guess I never thought of that as being a concern for Spartan citizens. I can't recall any particular source to base my notions on here, but I just assumed the hoplon would have been handed down by generation, or been the absolute number 1 thing a Spartan would have gotten his hands on (the structure of the economy ensuring that this would be one of the few, very valuable things available).rbodleyscott wrote:If you could afford it. The average wealth of the hoplite class went down during this period. Metal armour was still used, but it was much less common.grumblefish wrote:Personally, if I was a citizen soldier then I'd want to go fight in an awesome metal bell cuirass with a muscle design, rather than some cheap-o art smock with a plastic cover on top
Chris
