Knights of St John

marshalney2000 · Post by **marshalney2000** » Thu May 27, 2010 10:32 am

Richard sorry about the delay in getting back to you but I was away from home for a week.
Re the Brother knights, I must agree that the numbers should be small but at the end of the day they are the colourful and romantic part of what is at the end of the day a small army. I was trying to represent the situation where they were a small strike force leading the attack at a critical juncture. I am happy to make the minima zero.
With regard to the Maltese militia, these were poorly armed but were defending their homes in what was a do or die situation and would therefore have been motivated more than most militia type hordes. I still believe average is worthy of consideration but perhaps we could give an option of poor or average.
Another group i see as being average mob are the Later Covenanters in the 1680s who were inspired by religious fervour and gave Government troops breaking up their gatherings a bloody nose.
John

marshalney2000 · Post by **marshalney2000** » Thu May 27, 2010 10:52 am

Might be worth considering the option of allowing the turcopoles to fight separately certainly in the earlier period which would reduce the number of brethren if selected.
Richard also made some comment that this list might run on too long but in fact amny of their critical appearances as allies were in the 1600s.
John

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu May 27, 2010 1:04 pm

marshalney2000 wrote:[Nik] made some comment that this list might run on too long but in fact many of their critical appearances as allies were in the 1600s.

That had occurred to me, but then they would not need a full army list for that period would they?

I am doubtful if they would even need an ally list, as there probably wouldn't be enough of them propotionately to justify an allied contingent - they might just be represented a a BG or two. (If that).

marshalney2000 · Post by **marshalney2000** » Thu May 27, 2010 2:48 pm

I think it would be nice to have an ally list as the reports seem to suggest that although small contingents they certainly made their mark. I think i gave my suggestions for an ally list to Nik and it was pretty much a small contingent of brothers and brethren with a few mercenaries.
John

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu May 27, 2010 3:37 pm

marshalney2000 wrote:I think it would be nice to have an ally list as the reports seem to suggest that although small contingents they certainly made their mark. I think i gave my suggestions for an ally list to Nik and it was pretty much a small contingent of brothers and brethren with a few mercenaries.
John

Well they only need an ally list if some other lists refer to it!

If their numbers only amount to a BG or so, then they really don't need to be an ally contingent - especially if they followed the orders of the C-in-C. And especially if the army they were part of was huge.

cf The various military order BGs in FOGAM lists.

marshalney2000 · Post by **marshalney2000** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:07 am

I like the idea of incorporating these into the appropriate lists to keep it simple.
Lists would be Imperial in Tunis in 1535 and capturing Belgrade in 1688, defending Venetian candia against the Turks in the period 1648 to 1668 and also the Venetian conquest of Morea in 1687.
It is amazing just how long these guys hung around.
John