Hows about Hungarians then?

[lonehorseman]

Made a list for the 'Black Army' with the Idea of using it similarly to the way it was used in historical 'Scorpion' formation...feedback pls:

4xTC

1x4 Kn/Heavily Armoured/Superior/Drilled/Lancer Swordsmen
2x4 Kn/Heavily Armoured/Average/Drilled/Lancer Swordsmen
1x mixed BG 8x HF/Armoured/Average/Drilled/Defensive Spear + 4x LF/Unprotected/Average/Drilled/Bow
4x4 LH/Unprotected/Average/Undrilled/Bow
2x2 BWG/Average/Undrilled/Crossbow/Heavy Weapon
2x6 LF/Unprotected/Average/Drilled/Firearms

796AP PBI: +1 BG: 12

Cheers

Duane

[lonehorseman]

Forgot to include 1x Fortified Camp

[philqw78]

Never ever take average knights unless compulsory

[hammy]

hangunners work better in BGs of 4

[david53]

Made a list for the 'Black Army' with the Idea of using it similarly to the way it was used in historical 'Scorpion' formation...feedback pls:

4xTC

1x4 Kn/Heavily Armoured/Superior/Drilled/Lancer Swordsmen
2x4 Kn/Heavily Armoured/Average/Drilled/Lancer Swordsmen
1x mixed BG 8x HF/Armoured/Average/Drilled/Defensive Spear + 4x LF/Unprotected/Average/Drilled/Bow
4x4 LH/Unprotected/Average/Undrilled/Bow
2x2 BWG/Average/Undrilled/Crossbow/Heavy Weapon
2x6 LF/Unprotected/Average/Drilled/Firearms

796AP PBI: +1 BG: 12

Cheers

Duane

I've been playing the Hungarians for the past few months I'll suggest a few things but its only what works for me

Drop the average Knights the drilled don't make up for them being Average, take two undrilled Superior they last longer in fights. Take 1 BG Knights Superior Drilled.

Drop the mixed BG defensive Spears for 2 BG of 8 bases Armoured Drilled Defensive Spears, they work very well with the knights

Drop the LH Bow down to 2 x BGs if I could get rid of them I would but you need 6 bases an extra 2 bases is just
about worth the points.

Drop the crossbows to 1 BG of 8 Bases

Add 1 BG Poor Bow

Drop the handgunners down to 2 BG of four bases 1 Unprotected and 1 protected

Add 1 BG Serbian Light Horse Lancers

Take an IC and 3 TCs as getting terrian can be quite important moving first with HF isn't worth the loss of getting to put your Knights down last.

That should give you 12 Battle Groups and +3 PBI

[lonehorseman]

Firearms are 6-8
What Crossbows ?
Poor Bows as LF or MF?

[david53]

Firearms are 6-8
What Crossbows ?
Poor Bows as LF or MF?

Poor bows as LF
Crossbows one up from Handgunners 0 - 12

[BlackPrince]

Getting your terrain is important - so out of interest what terrain best suits the Hungarians?

[david53]

Getting your terrain is important - so out of interest what terrain best suits the Hungarians?

Now thats a good question my experience is it all depends on the enemy you face.

Against a LH/Cavalry army I would go Hilly close down the table as much as possible and maybe take a coast so you have at least one flank to pin your army against. Take the terrain as large as is allowed.

Against a drilled Heavy/medium foot army take the smallest terrian and take the coast it uses two choices. This can also be used against Knight armies.

IMO the most important aspect of winning PBI is the fact that you get to but your Knight were they will do the most harm.

I have just found this with experience, might not work for anyone elese.

Dave

[expendablecinc]

For a good mix between playability and strong Black army look and feel.

I believe you should have:
knights
light horse
szekeler light horse
clipeati with battlewagons
handgunners

The hard bit for me is getting the mix right- and deciding where to sacrifice.

For me its to get less battlegroups than I would like at the expense of make almost everything either very hard or able to evade.

3 BG of 4 Superior knights (1 drilled)
1 BG of 4 armoured superior Szekelers (supporting the knights and light horse)
1 Bg of 4 superior szekeler LH (supporting the LH and assisting the shooting)
2 BG of 4 horse archers
8 armoured clipeati
2 BWG to run along one flank of the clipeati
8 poor LF archers (delaying and as an archery ablative, even being poor it still takes 3 hits to cause a test)
6 handgunners (helping to cause shooting cohesion fails by supporting the LH shooting)

4 TCs

Most of your stuff is quick or drilled so moving first is better. You are also highly resiliant to shooting so the IC is not as much value there either.