100 YW Campaign - Battle Phase

[deadtorius]

John Montfort-John IV Duke of Brittany....... or so he claimed.

Apparently Brittany was originally settled by Celts chased out of England by the Vikings (or so they claim) It was an independent kingdom of sorts after the fall of Rome. France (Charles the V, evil and vile King) wanted to add it to French domains. The Montfort Dukes eventually managed to secure power from the various other dukes who wanted to rule and gave himself the title of John IV Duke of Brittany, a title which he held in name only but was not accepted by the populace. He sought aid in keeping France out of Briton affairs from the English including marrying into the Plantagenet line (or it was his heir John the V, thats original naming for you) so his ties to England are close and pretty much permanent. John had English advisors in most of his senior posts in the Briton government which did not endear him to the other noble families but it was still better than French rule.
From what I have gathered keeping Brittany autonomous seems to have been the goal of the Montfort family, a goal which they managed to do until they ran out of male heirs. Then the King of France married the Dauphin to the last daughter who signed off her claim to the throne to her husband but that is in the time of Henry the VIII or so, so I guess that last part is hearsay from the local soothsayers.

Friend of England hater of France...... so there you French K-nigits!!

[Scarz]

I am really enjoying the write ups about the various kingdoms, and seems you guys are getting into it.

It might be too late, or maybe we can work on it as we start, but instead of fighting to the death for either French or English victory, I could make victory conditions for each kingdom. Then at the end of a certain number of years say, 25 or whatever, we check and see who won, of course only the ruler of a kingdom will know his victory conditions.

So just off the top of my head from the Brittany histroy, its victory conditions might be something like to be neutral for the 10 years preceeding the end date (whatever that might be) and control all of his original provinces.

This might be a great way to give everyone a chance to win, add some hidden goals for everyone, to add some spice to the negotiations etc, and allow little kingdoms like Navarese (SP?) a way to win. If you guys like that, I will could have it done by Monday or so. All I would need is a little write up like deadtorius gave, with a little of the histroy you learned and maybe your take on what your kingdoms goal would be base don what you found out.

[ianiow]

Scar, You might have a little difficulty with Normandy and Brittany. It seems these two kingdoms are on the wrong side, historically speaking.

Our (french) Duke of Brittany was historically a staunch ally of the English, and our (english) Duke of Normandy was the dutiful son of the King of France and later became the French King himself!

For map balance we could keep things as they are. but you are going to have to come up with an interesting story for these two regions!

[MARVIN_THE_ARVN]

Scar - I like the sound of victory conditions but will go with anything you decide.

More history from the Castille chaps, seems like my chap any stays involved for a very short time and it quickly mentions the 100 years war......

On the death of Alfonso XI a dynastic conflict started between his sons, the Infantes Pedro and Henry, Count of Trastámara, which became entangled in the Hundred Years' War. Alfonso XI had married Maria of Portugal with whom he had his heir, the Infante Pedro. However, the King also had many illegitimate children with Eleanor of Guzman, among them the above-mentioned Henry, who disputed Pedro's right to the throne once the latter became king.

In the resulting struggle, in which both brothers claimed to be king, Pedro allied himself with Edward, the Prince of Wales, "the Black Prince." In 1367 the Black Prince defeated Henry II's allies at the Battle of Nájera, restoring Pedro's control of the kingdom. The Black Prince, seeing that the king would not reimburse his expenses, left Castile. Henry, who had fled to France, took advantage of the opportunity and recommenced the fight. Henry finally was victorious in 1369 in the Battle of Montiel, in which he killed Pedro.

In 1371 the brother of the Black Prince, John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, married Constance, Pedro's daughter. In 1388 he claimed the Crown of Castile in the name of his wife, the legitimate heir according to the Cortes de Seville of 1361. He arrived in A Coruña with an army and took the city. He then moved on to occupy Santiago de Compostela, Pontevedra and Vigo. He asked John I, Henry II's son, to give up the throne in favor of Constance.

John declined but proposed that his son, the Infante Henry, marry John of Gaunt's daughter Catherine. The proposal was accepted, and the title Prince of Asturias was created for Henry and Catherine. This brought an end to the dynastic conflict, strengthened the House of Trastámara's position and created peace between England and Castile.

[Blathergut]

Rumours!

-of an army marshalling south of us at Dauphine (unsubstantiated; from peasant with weird eyes)
-rumblings from Habsburg (surely just His Holiness's bowels from last night's feast)
-darker forbodings of conflict between England and France (so much for summer vacation in London )

We send out requests to all our subjects to marhsall at the one true capital (Burgundy, for those of you of peasant stock)! Best to be prepared and safe than caught with our halberds down!

We ponder our situation, scribbles notes to known and supposed friends. Let our unknown enemies know we are up for bribes and other payments.

*Goes off to seem pious to the masses.*

[76mm]

so when can we hope to upgrade to a later army? my early army is pretty sucky...

[deadtorius]

Yes I just checked the map and I am indeed on the wrong side of the map, it appears that the hand of the almighty struck down John IV- Duke of Brittany and made us into French Vassals.... egads!
Unless you want to switch Normandy and myself to the opposite sides of the map, or start with lopsided alliances, I am sure France does not need us as they can have more than enough armies and blue clashes with my eyes, your choice Scar.
Post a suggestion here and if need be I can re-write history for a pro-Froggie Brittany. Of course it might require an extra title on behalf of France...... oh lets say Marshall of France and Duke of Brittany, that has a nice ring to it

[zumHeuriger]

Mark -
This may have been bounced off you, but how does the idea of having a certain amount of amry points be maintaince-cost-free (maybe the starting army's worht) - representing feudal support. Then the income will only go to raising extra troops. sieges, etc. For a one-province country using the old gold costs, they would be able to keep 400 (feudal) + 800/4 = 600 pts worth of troops in the field if they did nothing else.

For France using the same system: 700 (Feudal) + 2900/4 = 1425 pts of troops total.

If the total forces drop below the feudal level, let them be replaced cehap , mayge (1/2 the normal cost)

Just an idea to allow a certain troop level without things getting to easy or too hard to keep a reasonable army in the field.

Cheers

Tom

[Scarz]

Scar, You might have a little difficulty with Normandy and Brittany. It seems these two kingdoms are on the wrong side, historically speaking.

Our (french) Duke of Brittany was historically a staunch ally of the English, and our (english) Duke of Normandy was the dutiful son of the King of France and later became the French King himself!

For map balance we could keep things as they are. but you are going to have to come up with an interesting story for these two regions!

Well I really goofed up that one, lets just swap them. Are you guys ok with that? I can switch the kingdoms, but leave you guys on the same side of the fense so to speak. So deadtorius would become Duke or Normandy and Ianiow will become Duke of Brittany, or you guys can following your Kingdoms and switch with them. Let me know which ya'll prefer. If you have already been talking to the major powers, we will make sure your on the same side of things. If nothing has gone on yet, we can also let you change sides with your Kingdom.

[Scarz]

so when can we hope to upgrade to a later army? my early army is pretty sucky...

I just checked them, looks like spearmen make up a large portion. When you looked up the Kingdom, were there any other army lists that would apply?

[76mm]

I just checked them, looks like spearmen make up a large portion. When you looked up the Kingdom, were there any other army lists that would apply?

Yeah, there's a Low Country (Maxmillian) army (which I guess is later) which looks better--it has at least a couple of pike units. The basic Low Country army has only average spearmen, a couple knights, and a couple English longbows. I'm routinely getting slaughtered in my practice games. I don't want to cherry-pick, but it would be nice to be able to field an army that had some chance of winning a battle!

[ianiow]

Well I really goofed up that one, lets just swap them. Are you guys ok with that? I can switch the kingdoms, but leave you guys on the same side of the fense so to speak. So deadtorius would become Duke or Normandy and Ianiow will become Duke of Brittany, or you guys can following your Kingdoms and switch with them. Let me know which ya'll prefer. If you have already been talking to the major powers, we will make sure your on the same side of things. If nothing has gone on yet, we can also let you change sides with your Kingdom.

So,
Normandy (John the Good) becomes French.
Brittany (John of Gaunt) becomes English.

I will leave it up to Deadtorius to decide which one he wants, I have had chats with the English but the change of map will nullify all our plans. So a fresh start either way is possible for me

[Scarz]

Well I really goofed up that one, lets just swap them. Are you guys ok with that? I can switch the kingdoms, but leave you guys on the same side of the fense so to speak. So deadtorius would become Duke or Normandy and Ianiow will become Duke of Brittany, or you guys can following your Kingdoms and switch with them. Let me know which ya'll prefer. If you have already been talking to the major powers, we will make sure your on the same side of things. If nothing has gone on yet, we can also let you change sides with your Kingdom.

So,
Normandy (John the Good) becomes French.
Brittany (John of Gaunt) becomes English.

I will leave it up to Deadtorius to decide which one he wants, I have had chats with the English but the change of map will nullify all our plans. So a fresh start either way is possible for me

Ahh the unholy alliance bewteen the Duke of Normandy and the English King have already begun...hmmm and where does this put the Duke of Brittany, now that he has found his true and rightful alligence belong to the English King!

Looking at the provinces on this shift, we probably need to leave the provinces aligned they way they are, it will just be the names of the Kingdoms and possibly the players that switch.

[deeter]

Scar,

Please thank the Pope for his generous gift and let it be known that Navarre will entertain any and all offers of friendship. Regarding the army, all troop choices should be available, else I can only field a mass of Men at Arms and medium javelin types.

Deeter of Navarre

[Scarz]

RULE CHANGE

Ok, I think I have the work around on the money thanks to suggestions by zumHeuriger. This make not be perfect, but it will get us going next week, and can always be changed as we go if needed.

Income and Support.
Each Kingdom will be allowed its starting army points as maintaince free, representing feudal support. So a Kingdom that starts with a 400 point army, gets 400 points free of support each season. Anything beyond that, and its 1 silver mark per build point each season. However, we are going to have a maximum army cap of 700. So the most any one army may have is 700 build points.

In addition, as everyone will have a bit more money around, I am increasing the pillage losses and seige costs slightly. The new build requirement for recruiting will remain 2 silver marks. So when you lose troops, it is still fairly expensive to equip and train them.

It is now 50 silver marks per season to conduct a seige. Also, pillaging is now 60/30 for large and 30/15 for small.

Finally, if an army is destroyed per the rules, a free company will be formed in the province it was destroyed in, and such army will be under the control of the campaign admin.

At the end of the first year, if the kingdoms are still too rich, we may reduce the income for provinces slightly (which will represent deminished production and taxes due to the war).

[ianiow]

Well I really goofed up that one, lets just swap them. Are you guys ok with that? I can switch the kingdoms, but leave you guys on the same side of the fense so to speak. So deadtorius would become Duke or Normandy and Ianiow will become Duke of Brittany, or you guys can following your Kingdoms and switch with them. Let me know which ya'll prefer. If you have already been talking to the major powers, we will make sure your on the same side of things. If nothing has gone on yet, we can also let you change sides with your Kingdom.

So,
Normandy (John the Good) becomes French.
Brittany (John of Gaunt) becomes English.

I will leave it up to Deadtorius to decide which one he wants, I have had chats with the English but the change of map will nullify all our plans. So a fresh start either way is possible for me

Ahh the unholy alliance bewteen the Duke of Normandy and the English King have already begun...hmmm and where does this put the Duke of Brittany, now that he has found his true and rightful alligence belong to the English King!

Looking at the provinces on this shift, we probably need to leave the provinces aligned they way they are, it will just be the names of the Kingdoms and possibly the players that switch.

No probs. Leave everything as it was. John will just have to become French King via a 'different' route hehe

[Scarz]

So,
Normandy (John the Good) becomes French.
Brittany (John of Gaunt) becomes English.
I will leave it up to Deadtorius to decide which one he wants, I have had chats with the English but the change of map will nullify all our plans. So a fresh start either way is possible for me

Ahh the unholy alliance bewteen the Duke of Normandy and the English King have already begun...hmmm and where does this put the Duke of Brittany, now that he has found his true and rightful alligence belong to the English King!
Looking at the provinces on this shift, we probably need to leave the provinces aligned they way they are, it will just be the names of the Kingdoms and possibly the players that switch.

No probs. Leave everything as it was. John will just have to become French King via a 'different' route hehe

Are you sure? Be real easy to at least switch the names, ie players stay aligned as they are, the provinces stay the way they are, you just get to be called the Duke of Brittany and deadtorius the Duke of Normandy.

[ianiow]

So the northern province stays English but gets renamed Brittany and the Southern province will be now called Normandy?

Hehe, my brain is waving a white flag at me. I will definately leave things up to Deadtorius! I dont mind being french or english, brittany or normandy, north or south or john or john hehe.

Im going to sit in my chair in a darkened room now and gently rock back and forward..


ps, have you noticed that the northern province contains the 'cities' of both 'Brittany' and 'Normandy'. [begins to dribble as he rocks in his chair]

[Blathergut]

dudes...just switch alliances...we haven't even started much yet!!

[Scarz]

So the northern province stays English but gets renamed Brittany and the Southern province will be now called Normandy?

Hehe, my brain is waving a white flag at me. I will definately leave things up to Deadtorius! I dont mind being french or english, brittany or normandy, north or south or john or john hehe.

Im going to sit in my chair in a darkened room now and gently rock back and forward..


ps, have you noticed that the northern province contains the 'cities' of both 'Brittany' and 'Normandy'. [begins to dribble as he rocks in his chair]

lol nice. We will just leave it as it is, since some negotiations have started. In our alternate universe of the 100YW we will figure there have been some switching of sides etc!