Paisley wrote:I'm wondering if winner's losses are maybe not a bit high, I'd have thought 30% maximum for winners would 'feel' right. Maybe halve the permanent loss for winners (before modifiers for territory)? But of course that might affect play balance too much.
[quote='GrayMouser]I guess the overall feel and playability is the important thing, however my understanding is that all the way up to the horse and musket period, casualties for the defeated were heavy.... It was rare that a defeated army could rally at later point and even consider forming up for another battle...
I believe historical stats indicate losses for the victor would have been in the 10-20%range, the loser more like 30-60%. The survivors likly, except for cavalry and any nobilty who were likly mounted as well, would have dispersed and never reformed, at least in the short term. Wandering soldiers after a defeat tended to be hunted down by the victors in the days following the battle or knocked off by annoyed peasants, regardless if in friendly territory or not[/quote]
I agree with you both so sorry folks I didn't explain well enough.
That 43% for the victors only reflected the fact the battle was so close.
So change this
Me 500 points 32/33
Strebe 600 points 47/45
A win for me in enemy territory
This would mean
[(32/33) x 50] – 5 (victory enemy territory) = 43%
For the 500 point army a 215 point loss.
[(47/45) x 50] + 5 (victory enemy territory) = 57%
For the 600 point army a 342 point loss.
to this
Me 500 points 22/33
Strebe 600 points 47/45
A win for me in enemy territory
This would mean
[(20/33) x 50] – 5 (victory enemy territory) = 25%
For the 500 point army a 125 point loss.
[(47/45) x 50] + 5 (victory enemy territory) = 57%
For the 600 point army a 342 point loss.
These values for a moderate victory are in/close to the suggested values. An absolutely overwhelming victory could mean no loss to the victor.
My point was that this way you can have tactical victories but strategic defeats.
If the concensus is percentages are too high or too low we can change the fixed value modifiers and/or the 50% multiplier.
A lot of the detailed stuff will be invisible to the players once we get started, but I think it's important that you are all aware of what goes on under the hood. Hopefully I'll have time to get the settlements, facilities and naval stuff added tomorrow. The Fate cards and Convocation cards are coming along nicely, so I should be able to get them listed soon.
