Question on a multiple unit impact and melee with angles

[smaul1]

Hey guys, we had this happen tonight and were not sure what to do.

In the impact phase it looked pretty much like the picture below, and this picture was after we tried to conform for melee in that phase.

Light green and Red was impacted by purple. and now we tried to conform for melee.

the light green is 3 bases of LH after they lost a stand on the impact to purple. the purple is a BG of 6 stands of LH, and red BG is Heavy cavalry, 4 stands.

so after impact we were able to conform some of the purple to the light green, but we are not sure how to conform the 1 purple stand that impacted the red BG.

do we leave them as is (not moving them at all) with the one stand of purple fighting the red since they cant conform? If so does red also get the overlap it would have if purple had to conform?

any other thought? we would love some input.



thanks guys, if anyone has any questions let me know I can answer pretty quick.

the units to the upper right are skirmishers for the purple BG and cavalry for the purple group that are not yet in contact.

[smaul1]

Plainsman if Im missing anything please jump in on any of the question posts, please.

and oh yeah, still smarting from that 5/6 hits on that impact with your LH. (FYI THE PURPLE UNIT ON THE PICTURE)

Steve

[MCollett]

so after impact we were able to conform some of the purple to the light green, but we are not sure how to conform the 1 purple stand that impacted the red BG.

You never 'conform some' of a BG. If any can't, then none do.

do we leave them as is (not moving them at all) with the one stand of purple fighting the red since they cant conform? If so does red also get the overlap it would have if purple had to conform?

Yes and yes. Overlaps are 'as if' you had conformed.

Best wishes,
Matthew

[berthier]

Unless the purple LH passed a CMT to charge the red (skirmishers charging non-skirmishers) , they should have stopped 1 MU away from the reds and thus no impact.

It also looks as if the purple stand in contact with red is no longer in contact with the rest of purple which is illegal but may the picture may be a bit off.

Christopher Anders

[ShrubMiK]

Haven't got rules handy...but:

The reds are not a new target being uncovered by a previous target evading, thus the purples would have to pass a CMT in order to contact the reds and if they failed would not charge at all, rather than starting to charge and then stopping short.

(Although depending on where the purples started their charge from, it might have been a valid flank charge on red.)

[smaul1]

Unless the purple LH passed a CMT to charge the red (skirmishers charging non-skirmishers) , they should have stopped 1 MU away from the reds and thus no impact.

It also looks as if the purple stand in contact with red is no longer in contact with the rest of purple which is illegal but may the picture may be a bit off.

Christopher Anders

They did pass but I didnt put that since that was not our question and I wanted to keep it as brief as I could. I believe the corner is touching on the purple end stand.

[smaul1]

Haven't got rules handy...but:

The reds are not a new target being uncovered by a previous target evading, thus the purples would have to pass a CMT in order to contact the reds and if they failed would not charge at all, rather than starting to charge and then stopping short.

(Although depending on where the purples started their charge from, it might have been a valid flank charge on red.)

It was not a flank charge as well, we have that part down. Our question has to do with conforming at this odd angle, any input on that on how the stands fight would be good.

Steve

[smaul1]

so after impact we were able to conform some of the purple to the light green, but we are not sure how to conform the 1 purple stand that impacted the red BG.

You never 'conform some' of a BG. If any can't, then none do.

do we leave them as is (not moving them at all) with the one stand of purple fighting the red since they cant conform? If so does red also get the overlap it would have if purple had to conform?

Yes and yes. Overlaps are 'as if' you had conformed.

Best wishes,
Matthew

So if you cant conform some then do they just melee at the point of impact? apply overlaps that would have applied if they had conformed?

[kevinj]

Yes, so in your example, Purple gets 3 dice for the bases in contact with those of Green, plus 2 for the bases that are overlapping at the left end. They also get 1 die for the base in contact with Red. Green get 3 dice for their bases in contact. Red gets 1 die for the base in contact plus one for the overlap at the right end. All of these numbers are before any dice are lost for disruption etc. Red could probably also, in the manoeuvre phase, "feed in" 1 base from its right hand end (moving it to behind the overlapping base, it looks like there is room for it to fit there) for a total of 3 dice against Purple.

Assuming this melee is still in progress when the manoeuvre phase of the Red/Green player is reached, Red will conform to Purple if there is room (if they have fed in a base as above there will be as the gap to the next BG is just over 3 bases wide) and they would then be able to feed the right hand base to a position behind the one currently in contact for a total of 4 dice.

[smaul1]

ok so the rule is you fight the melee where the units are if the whole unit cant conform?

I think Im starting to understand a bit better.

[kevinj]

ok so the rule is you fight the melee where the units are if the whole unit cant conform?

Yes.

[zacknafein]

In the picture it seems that the purple step forward to contact green leaving the purple base fighting red in corner to corner contact with the other BG base.

It is this contact when stepped forward legal?

Thanks

[smaul1]

Just to clarify this was NOT the impact, but was after we did the impact and then tried to conform purple to green and red

purple was at more of an angle with the left side touching green and then the bases stepped forward to green and red.

since it sounds like we shouldn't have conformed, Ill adjust them when I get home and try and take another picture to show the impact. We are planning on getting in a little play time tonight on a couple turns.

hope that helps

Steve