Foot anarchy charges

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:22 pm

Aren't Off Sp. foot supposed to anarchy charge foot? I'm playing through two games against the Illyrian hordes of undrilled Off Sp., and haven't seen a single Illyrian anarchy charge. That seems somewhat improbable.

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:33 pm

My observation is that anarchy charges for foot are very sporadic and totally unpredictable. I have played numerous games with the Romans and never seen a single legion anarchy, and then in one battle at least 5-6 times......

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:40 pm

Yeah, its definitely weird. I do, however, have fond memories of my drill thuriophoroi anarchy charging out of the woods and into legions, so in theory it ought to happen to undrilled peltast types. I just want to know whether I should keep sitting around waiting for it to happen.

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:44 pm

iversonjm wrote:Aren't Off Sp. foot supposed to anarchy charge foot? I'm playing through two games against the Illyrian hordes of undrilled Off Sp., and haven't seen a single Illyrian anarchy charge. That seems somewhat improbable.

If I had to take a wild guess, your opponent has an inspired commander/full contingent of troop commanders keeping the offensive sp foot in place. More than likely, he probably is also using terrain to keep Medium foot anchored, since the Medium foot will never charge out of specific types of terrain.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:52 pm

MF won't (well...according to the HELP

) charge out of terrain (i.e., only test when in open and facing foot).

+1 commander in range (+1 more if INS)
+1 if adj.

so...5+ has you pass...I've had lots of cav go...stupid lancers...that's why I like the LH commanders!!!!

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:07 pm

Nope, there have been plenty opportunities for charges out into the open, and somebody would have missed the roll by now. Lord knows that my lancers have failed numerous anarchy tests despite the presence of an IC. BTW, I've had MF run out into the open before. Don't know if that has been corrected.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:28 pm

It's hard to remember to watch for all this stuff while playing!

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:41 pm

iversonjm wrote:Nope, there have been plenty opportunities for charges out into the open, and somebody would have missed the roll by now. Lord knows that my lancers have failed numerous anarchy tests despite the presence of an IC. BTW, I've had MF run out into the open before. Don't know if that has been corrected.

The issues with the MF running out in the open was an error with previous versions - it has been fixed.

As for the anarchy charges, how many turns have the units been in charge range to force CMTs and how many CMTs have been passed? More than likely your opponent is just running a lucky streak.

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:05 am

Two different games, 4-5 turns each, multiple (at least 6 to 15+) in each game per turn. If that's his lucky streak, I need to give up and go home.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:24 am

iversonjm wrote:Two different games, 4-5 turns each, multiple (at least 6 to 15+) in each game per turn. If that's his lucky streak, I need to give up and go home.

You need to give up waiting for MF to anarchy charge out of terrain. Now that bug has been fixed, they won't do it.

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:35 am

They aren't in terrain. That's the issue.

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:29 pm

iversonjm wrote:Two different games, 4-5 turns each, multiple (at least 6 to 15+) in each game per turn. If that's his lucky streak, I need to give up and go home.

I just played a very large DAG vs the AI as the Ilyrians...

I did see some anarchy charges by their medium offensive spear but NEVER in the open, they anarchied like crazy though in the woodsy, swampy areas of the map.....
Definetely seems odd

pantherboy · Post by **pantherboy** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:46 pm

iversonjm wrote:They aren't in terrain. That's the issue.

Iver is talking about my Illyrian host. I've completed over 10 battles with them and probably seen 2 or 3 anarchy charges total. My experience so far is they won't charge. Not sure if it is due to general being nearby and that they have units to their rear bolstering morale. Equally I rarely see any MF anarchy charge as in comparison to cavalry.

Steve

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:39 pm

Yeah. To be fair, my impact foot and Off Spear aren't anarchy charging either, although they are drilled. In TT there are significant risks of even drilled shock troops charging, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. I'd just like to know what the rule is so that I can plan for it.

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:52 pm

I wonder if they broke impact foot and offensive spear (for medium foot) when they fixed the terrain issue? After you mentioned this, I just loaded up a custom scenario, single line with impact medium foot (undrilled) and offensive spear medium foot (undrilled) and lined them up against an opposite infantry consisting of the same type. I moved the two sides into charge range (and kept the general out of command range) and just kept passing back and forth. It went through the entire game (draw) without a single anarchy charge (with just passing back and forth). There was no terrain blocking - clear fields.

Has anyone seen impact foot or medium foot anarchy charge since the last patch? I was pretty sure I had in a match of my Illyrians vs. Armenians, but can't remember if that was before or after the last patch.

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:00 pm

Did another test.

10 undrilled impact foot, 10 undrilled offensive spear, 20 cataphracts vs. an enemy line consisting of all undrilled impact foot.

9 out of the 20 cataphracts anarchy charged. No offensive spear or undrilled impact foot charged. General is out of command range the entire time.

I then repeated this a couple of times, and we are always getting a handful 7-12 (usually) cataphracts charging while never getting the medium foot to charge.

I think it is broken -- probable was with the last patch with the medium foot charging from terrain issue.

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:15 pm

I'm going to have to do a few more tests - but HF (Impact foot) are also seemingly immune to anarchy charges right now as well (even being undrilled and out of the range of commanders). I didn't have enough time to run enough tests yet to say that conclusively, but I'll pass through the scenario a few more times and let you guys know...

(I hate to admit this since my favorite army right now is a Gallic later low lands with a lot of heavy foot and a full contingent of allied medium foot -- but something is not quite right here

)

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:17 pm

Oddly, I just saw an anarchy charge by a MF off spear out of terrain. It was, again, the only instance of it that I have seen. Could be that the fix of that didn't work either.

petergarnett · Post by **petergarnett** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:17 pm

We may still have a bug with this which I'll report.

pantherboy · Post by **pantherboy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:24 am

Now coming to think of it the only seem to anarchy charge within terrain. I just had 3 MF in terrain anarchy charge bosporan MF in terrain for Lost World. I think when they fixed the bug of charging out they coded it not to charge in the open so when in the open they don't charge. I don't know if this is intentional or by mistake.

Steve

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