Resigning - A Draw

[Morbio]

One of my opponents resigned yesterday (or it may have been the day before) and it was shown as a draw. I thought this was being fixed in the recent release? If it was, then it isn't

Is this still to be fixed?

[Ironclad]

I thought this had been corrected in an update and it seems to work alright when I have received resignations. It can be a bit confusing since on notification of the resignation a draw is announced but this is then altered on the victory conditions screen to a victory.

[Morbio]

I must confess I only looked at the notification. It is rare for me to even look at the victory conditions screen since I generally know why the result has occurred.

[Ironclad]

Its best to check the victory screen for confirmation of the true result. (Difficult to miss the victory anthem!).The same applies when both sides achieve a break point draw, as the notification then informs each party they are victorious and only on the victory screen do you find that no side is described as the victor. I know this has caught a few players out who are not familiar with the requirements for a draw. This is one that needs tidying up to make it clearer.

[Geordietaf]

In a recent game during his turn an opponent went over his break point limit after one of those catastrophic chain reactions from one adverse combat result that made his entire first line and supports scream and run away. At that point he resigned and presumably went to restore his spirits with a stiff scotch.

I presume that resigning after your break point has been reached doesn't alter the result, and I can understand how frustrating such disasters can be, having experienced more than my share of them. However, when it has happened to me I have carried on at least with all the combats that are required and sometimes launch a few despairing attacks if I think I can get a draw. Even where the position is pretty hopeless I at least try to pull my survivors back to try to rebuild my line.

Like everyone else, I prefer winning but I don't like to deprive my opponent of the satisfaction of a fully played out victory.

I get the impression, from their actions that most people prefer to play to the bitter end rather than resign. However, I would be interested in the views of others. Is it pointless to play on when the position is hopeless?

[petergarnett]

I like to fight to the end if only out of courtesy to my opponent - why should I spoil their fun.

However perhaps a better convention where one side is clearing going to win is to offer to resign in case your opponent wants to end the game quicky.

The worst option is to simply stop playing - I've had that happen twice now where move is with opponent & they has not bothered to return it / resign. Eventually the games were so old Slitherine deleted them.

[keyth]

It is just common courtesy to play the game out... If your opponent has taken you to the cleaners, then they should have the right to finish the game off. I think the only acceptable resignations are those that have been negotiated/agreed in advance.

Cheers,

Keyth

[rbodleyscott]

It is just common courtesy to play the game out... If your opponent has taken you to the cleaners, then they should have the right to finish the game off.

Why? So they can gloat?

In most games resigning is regarded as conceding defeat gracefully.

Why should this be different?

I will fight tooth and claw if I feel there is any hope of retrieving the situation, but I don't see why I can't sound the retreat if the situation is clearly hopeless.

[Morbio]

I agree, providing it is done with grace. By that I mean resign and then compliment your opponent on a good victory.

.... and plead for the lives of your troops

Where someone just resigns and no comments, then that seems a little off to me. Mind you, it's not something I'd get particularly upset about

[rbodleyscott]

I agree, providing it is done with grace. By that I mean resign and then compliment your opponent on a good victory.

.... and plead for the lives of your troops

Agreed.

[petergarnett]

I dislike resigning as to me it's a missed opportunity to learn personally & most games are reasonably well advanced before it's clear who going to win so an extra 2-3 turns whilst my opponent finishes me off is not an issue for me.

Also I've yet to find an opponent on this system who gloats at defeating me - & I've lost as often as I've won.

[keyth]

It is just common courtesy to play the game out... If your opponent has taken you to the cleaners, then they should have the right to finish the game off.

I disagree. Why? So they can gloat?

In most games resigning is regarded as conceding defeat gracefully.

Why should this be different?

Because in FoG you can grade the degree of victory/defeat by the break points. Play out to the end and see how far you can close the gap. I tend to use what are perceived as 'weaker' armies because I like the challenge - this won't win me a lot of games, but I can understand why it would frustrate opponents if I resigned on turn 6 because I realised that I was going to get hosed. I appreciate that this is a game, but how many classical generals had the option to tip the king on its side and wander off for milk and cookies? As others have said, resignation is for chess All IMHO, obviously

Cheers,

Keyth

[Paisley]

Oh I always gloat, and cackle maniacally too as I order my virtual followers to cut the right hand from every prisoner and blind 99 in every hundred. Of course if the opposition are Seleuid circus clowns or Roman fascist oppressors, I'm less lenient.

In chess one can have clearly lost yet the position may be such that it would take lots of moves to actually force checkmate. FoG turns are so quick to play that the time lost to fighting to the end is fairly insignificant I think.

My signature is slightly tongue in cheek, I don't actually mind too much if someone resigns (especially if they leave a message too), I merely mark down their name in my Little Black Book of Grudges (currently vol. XIX for this year)... but I do prefer to fight games to their conclusion, even when the dice have cheated me of victory...

[TheGrayMouser]

I too feel one should play the game out to the bitter end... I have only had 1 player resign on me and that was after only 5 turns, i guess he just didnt like his army , deployment or whatever.... He offered no reason or comment either....

[Geordietaf]

I have to say that 'Pike Boy' Paisley and his mincing Macedonians (so called because they minced my Mid-Rep Romans the other day) is much more gentlemanly than his post suggests. My only complaint is he just won't believe that my Romans are all fully paid up Liberal Democrats.

[TheGrayMouser]

If I had known his Mac's were left wing libs I would have tried different tactics! Maybe offered free healthcare and they would have put down their pikes!
(note this is 100% good natured humour, this forum is surprisingly free of any political blather)

[Paisley]

My Macedonians don't require healthcare, being naturally hardy and resilient. You may wish to save it for the remains of your Pyrrhics... it was sporting of you to bring along Bruttians, they give me nearly as much entertainment as Gauls or the Seleucid travelling circus.

[TheGrayMouser]

My Macedonians don't require healthcare, being naturally hardy and resilient. You may wish to save it for the remains of your Pyrrhics... it was sporting of you to bring along Bruttians, they give me nearly as much entertainment as Gauls or the Seleucid travelling circus.

Yeah, those darn Bruttians always let me down in the end. Cheers!

[keithmartinsmith]

This was something we thought we had addressed as part of the 112 update so will look again. If anyone else posts here can they also post their game version number (it comes up to the lower left as you load the game).
Thanks
Keith

[Morbio]

Mine is v1.1.2