Army Lists

[MNFS]

Hi All,

I've drawn up some preliminary army lists for the following

Dwarves
Duregar
Dark Elves
High Elves
Wood Elves
Orcs & Goblins
Empire
Knightly Orders

Let me know if you would like to play-test any of these.

Best,

Mark

[MkV]

I would, what scale are you using?

Mark

[MNFS]

They are for 15mm or 25mm.

Let me know where to send them and I will send you the additional rules that I have created as well.

Best,

Mark

[Mehrunes]

I'd be interested in O&G and High Elves.
Send them to nightgobbo(at)gmx(dot)de please

[MatthewB]

I've done lists for most of the Third Age Lord of the Rings armies (and some second age). It took me a while to get them working properly, as when I first started I didn't have a fully developed grasp of many mechanisms in the game, but after editing them over the years, I have got them to work quite well.

Does this forum know that there is a Fog Fantasy Yahoo Group?

Matthew Bailey

[Skanvak]

I just drop a line that as a FOG player, I don't reallywant to have army list for a fantasy product as this will reduce the possibility to use them in campaign. In Hott they don't have army list. Army list should only be given, if they are any at all, as example and guideline, and of course for compition play. but please make clear that this would not be an exaustive list. I mean, we don't need another fantasy setting (unless you want one of my original one :p )

[MatthewB]

The only things that have been done as Army lists are for already produced mythologies, such as Tolkien or Howard's Hyboria... I loath and despise most generic "fantasy".... It's sort of like a list of things that sound connected, but fall apart upon examination.

Matthew Bailey
P.S. Mike, I need to call you back... I had a cat emergency this week, and have been babysitting a friend's cat (whom I need to go stop from eating a book of matches right now)

[Skanvak]

While I agree that army should come from a fantasy setting. I am interested by a fantasy rule for my own fantasy setting or may be one of the countless obscure one. And as a player of the computer version, I don't want to have fix army list. That is a problem you don't know on TT.

For league purpose of course, I agree. But what of the copyright? I think we can forget LOTR or warhammer or Dragonlance. Another reason for free army list

[SirGarnet]

I just drop a line that as a FOG player, I don't reallywant to have army list for a fantasy product as this will reduce the possibility to use them in campaign. In Hott they don't have army list. Army list should only be given, if they are any at all, as example and guideline

The value of lists is as an example and guideline and good background notes on the research (where relevant) and rationales for the list classifications both in terms of the fantasy setting and tactical realities can be quite valuable to a player deciding how to represent the army and setting of his choice.

I mean, we don't need another fantasy setting.

Historical rules face the challenge of representing one historical timeline in just one physical universe, and that can be fairly tricky even beyond the question of research and evidence.

Fantasy conceives myriad settings. One set can't reconcile them all. Rules have to be either wedded to a single setting or have a generic base with enough modularity to allow adding on additional rules to fit different fantasy settings. I think FOG is a great fit for the modular approach, with the generic baseline being ancient and medieval human history. As I explained in another thread, there are a surprisingly large number of places in the FOG mechanics where graduated changes can be integrated easily for a fantasy module.

As the lists at http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FoG_fantasy/ I think show, a number of fantasy settings can be represented using vanilla FOG without additional tinkering, although they may benefit from some mods. So FOG as it stands can be a fantasy army rules set once you do the classifications. Magic and other special rules can be layered on. You can see some of the magic mods on the yahoo group - even allowing an extra reroll to represent magic can have a noticeable effect.

Of course, there's no point to using detailed military combat rules like FOG if the decisive force in battle is magic - the detail should be where it matters.

what of the copyright? I think we can forget LOTR or warhammer or Dragonlance. Another reason for free army list

Not using their rules, just their minis, and making our own non-commercial FOG-based lists is not a copyright or a trademark infringement under US or UK law, but legal issues are a topic for Yahoo, not here.

P.S.

About HOTT, it's a single (inclusive but somewhat generic) fantasy setting with a lot of often very funny tongue-in-cheek lists and a reasonably robust points system that allows very different opponents to do battle competitively. A good common denominator for those Narnia vs. Watership Down battles, but still a single set of rules to shoehorn your setting into.

[Skanvak]

Again, I am on your line Mikek. But, as a computer FOG player, I just cannot do what you TT player can do. That mean, I cannot create custom army list. which result in a different approach to the notion of army list. For TT they are just the begining, example, for computer FOG they are a strict constraint, hard and fast rule. That why I'd like the fantasy FOG to have a modable mind setr from start.

[GreyhawkGrognard]

I'll agree that I don't see the point of having "generic" fantasy army lists beyond their utility in tournament play (and, of course, since it's unofficial anyway, there won't be any such tournaments).

However, I also agree with those that see value in putting together FoG army lists for already-published fantasy settings. For example, Grendulwulf has started doing so for the World of Greyhawk on his fine blog. Almost all of the published TSR/WotC campaign settings would be viable for such projects. I could see doing so for Harn, Pendragon, Tekumel, the Wilderlands campaign world, etc. Putting together army lists for fantasy fiction settings is also very viable; both older ones such as Nehwon and Hyborea, as well as new ones such as Lynn Flewelling's "Nightrunner" world.

Joseph

http://greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com