Another list heavy on poor troops

[jlopez]

Here's the list I used at the Alcoy tournament as the umpire/spare player. A bit of a challenge to use but you can't beat it for excitment and remarkably effective. It routed a Spartan and beat a Medieval Danish, a Catalan Company and a War of the Roses (YP) army.

Hundred Year's War (Britain):

4xTC

1 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
2 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
3 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
4 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen

5 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
6 Town & Country Longbowmen 8xMF Unprotected Poor Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
7 Hobilars 4xCV Protected Poor Drilled Swordsmen
8 Town & Country Billmen 6XHF Protected Poor Undrilled Heavy Weapon

9 Experienced Longbowmen 6xMF Protected Average Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
10 Experienced Longbowmen 6xMF Protected Average Undrilled Longbow Swordsmen
11 Retinue Billmen 6xHF Armoured Average Undrilled Heavy Weapon
12 Retinue Billmen 6xHF Armoured Average Undrilled Heavy Weapon

13 Men-at-arms 4xHF Armoured Superior Undrilled Heavy Weapon
14 Northern Border Horse 4xLH Protected Average Undrilled Lance Swordsmen
15 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen
16 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen

To make the list less fun and more effective I would get rid of the Town & Country Billmen and upgrade both Northern Border Spearmen BGs to average and one Town & Country Longbowmen BG to protected. Still huge but just that bit more reliable where it counts.

Deployment:

Experienced Longbowmen in the centre, Town & Country split between each wings and the billmen behind them wherever most suitable. Most opponents will concentrate on one flank so place the Border Horse opposite it to delay it long enough to swing you other wing towards the centre. The Hobilars just hang around at the back to provide rear support and as a mobile reserve. Remember to deploy your longbowmen 22cm from the long table edge so you can put the spearmen in front of them opposite enemy shock mounted. Works every time.

[rbodleyscott]

I wish I had enough longbowmen to try it.

[philqw78]

15 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen
16 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen

Deployment:

.... Remember to deploy your longbowmen 22cm from the long table edge so you can put the spearmen in front of them opposite enemy shock mounted. Works every time.

1 deep I assume

[nikgaukroger]

I wish I had enough longbowmen to try it.

I can just about do it, but would be tempted to have the northern border horse as Cavalry to use to support the spearmen. Taht said I'm not tempted to use it

[jlopez]

15 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen
16 Northern Border Spearmen 8xHF Protected Average Undrilled Defensive Spearmen

Deployment:

.... Remember to deploy your longbowmen 22cm from the long table edge so you can put the spearmen in front of them opposite enemy shock mounted. Works every time.

1 deep I assume

No, 2 deep. There is no way you will have time to contract them in time to meet a charge as you have to pass a CMT and move straight forward 3". The joys of being undrilled.

[jlopez]

I wish I had enough longbowmen to try it.

I can just about do it, but would be tempted to have the northern border horse as Cavalry to use to support the spearmen. Taht said I'm not tempted to use it

Go on. You know you want to!

The LH are absolutely key. Without them to delay the enemy's attacking wing (could also be his entire army) you just won't have enough time to get your other flank to come to the rescue and the army list no longer makes any sense. If you're going to take it on the chin with no fooling around on the flanks you may as well go for better quality foot in the first place. This list needs to get all 60 longbowmen shooting at some point to stand a chance.

[philqw78]

No, 2 deep. There is no way you will have time to contract them in time to meet a charge as you have to pass a CMT and move straight forward 3". The joys of being undrilled.

There's not enough 2 deep. Thats only 4BG wide, 2 if facing knights.

[jlopez]

No, 2 deep. There is no way you will have time to contract them in time to meet a charge as you have to pass a CMT and move straight forward 3". The joys of being undrilled.

There's not enough 2 deep. Thats only 4BG wide, 2 if facing knights.

Let's not forget the 16 billmen and men-at-arms who can interpenetrate the longbowmen. Just two BGs of spear is enough to cause most mounted armies a lot of headaches when combined with the longbowmen.

[nikgaukroger]

I wish I had enough longbowmen to try it.

I can just about do it, but would be tempted to have the northern border horse as Cavalry to use to support the spearmen. Taht said I'm not tempted to use it

Go on. You know you want to!

I can assure you I don't - not the sort of army I like, or indeed can use to any effect

[timmy1]

Nik

Would you use it if the bow armed Poor troops were all Shooty Cav?

[SirGarnet]

If the poor are always with us, might as well get them on the table.

This does, I think, illustrate again show that using poor troops effectively requires more thought and care than their betters (a historical skill that few FoG gamers have any reason to emulate outside of a campaign).

[jlopez]

Nik

Would you use it if the bow armed Poor troops were all Shooty Cav?

Evading is for girls.

[caliban66]

Huuua! Julian, I´m amazed by the concept behind your army design. Congrats for your results. I was sure you would be able to beat any opponent with a `not so happy nor few band of starving brothers´ armed with stained tin openers... You just did it.

[Moro]

excuse me, where can I find the "Late Achemenid heavy on poor troops" post?

Thanks