Pre-Neo Babylon

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:26 pm

Just doing some new pages on the FoG Wiki, and I'm struggling to work out which list represents Babylon before the Neo-Babylonians.

They seem to have been enemies and conquerers/conquerees of pretty much everyone, but I cant see a list for them in either Shi--er than Beagles or The Lost Scrolls?

any clues?

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:25 pm

Sounds like this list for Lost Scrolls is as close as they will get:

Amorite Kingdoms This list covers the Amorite kingdoms of Mesopotamia such as Subartu (the Assyrian Old Kingdom) from the time of Shamshi-Adad (1813 to 1755 BC) and the 1st Dynasty of Babylon (1894 to 1595 BC) and also the Amorite ruled city states of Syria such as Yamkhad (Aleppo), Mari, Qatna (Tell Mishrife) and Ugarit from circa 2000 BC until their adoption of massed maryannu style chariotry some time after 1600 BC

(from http://slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10076)

Chris

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:42 pm

Kassites are I believe the in-between guys that are missing and appear to remain so.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 pm

hazelbark wrote:Kassites are I believe the in-between guys that are missing and appear to remain so.

Looking at the Wiki on the Babylonian kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_of_Babylon) Dynasties II, IV-IX also appear to be missing. (Kassites/Cassites are Dynasty III.)

The Amorite list does look to cover the Old Babylonian period which started with Hammurabi and is what most people think of as Babylonian vs the Neo-Babylonian/Chaldean period which is covered in StE.

Chris

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:30 pm

Even the amorite list looks to leave the thick end of 1000 years of Babylon out in the cold (1600-600bc ish) ?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:39 am

madaxeman wrote:Just doing some new pages on the FoG Wiki, and I'm struggling to work out which list represents Babylon before the Neo-Babylonians.

They seem to have been enemies and conquerers/conquerees of pretty much everyone, but I cant see a list for them in either Shi--er than Beagles or The Lost Scrolls?

any clues?

Amorite Kingdoms in Lost Scrolls covers the 1st dynasty of Babylon from 1894 to 1595 BC.

Thereafter there is no list until the Neo-Babylonian list commences in 626 BC.

One for an on-line download if anyone cares to devise it.

ssims2 · Post by **ssims2** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:31 pm

Hi,
What other lists are possibilities for online download in this period?

Babylonia could have two lists: Kassite Babylonian (1595 - 1222 BC), a more traditional Late Bronze Age chariot army, and Later Babylonian (1222 - 729 or 626 BC), transitional between Kassite and Neo-Babylonian, with less chariots and more cavalry than the former, but overall lower quality than Neo-Babylonian.

Old or Middle Kingdom Hittite (1650 - 1400 BC), sack of Babylon, less chariots than later list

Harappan (2600 - 1800 BC)

Vedic Indian (1500 - 500 BC)

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