Vallet de Guerre

pikey · Post by **pikey** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:00 pm

Does anybody know about 'Valet de Guerre' during the 100 Yrs and Burgundian Wars? Who where they? How where they dressed and equipped? How where they deployed and used?
Any bits of info would be helpful.
Thanks

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:12 am

Valet de Guerre are the lighter armed and armored portion of a "lance". Usually mixed in with the more heavily armed knights and men at arms, they were sometimes deployed seperately. In game terms they are treated as part of the knight element when not seperately deployed. In those lists which permit them as seperate BGs they are classed as cav. Such BGs should be represented by less well armored riders than fully armed knights, riding unarmored horses.
Tactically they were used as flankers, or more frequently to give rear support to the missile troops, or artillery. Or as a mounted reserve when the men at arms were fighting on foot.

Skullzgrinda · Post by **Skullzgrinda** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:37 am

Currours or hobilars essentially?

Or more like squires?

Phaze_of_the_Moon · Post by **Phaze_of_the_Moon** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:10 pm

Squire is the right idea. Valet (or varlet) means servant, every gen d'arme would have one.

Skullzgrinda · Post by **Skullzgrinda** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:47 pm

Phaze_of_the_Moon wrote:Squire is the right idea. Valet (or varlet) means servant, every gen d'arme would have one.

Thanks!

pikey · Post by **pikey** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:46 pm

Thanks for your help.

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:32 am

As in Chartier "Chronique de Charles VII t2 p235 (1449) B.N. fr. 23963 "les hommes d'armes estoient tous armez de bonne cuirasses, harnois de jambes, espées, sallades, dont la plus part desdites salades estoient garnies d'argent, et lances que portoient les pages de chacun d'iceulx hommes d'armes, montez trois bon chevaulx, savoir pour luy, son page et son varlet, lequel varlet estoit armé de sallade, jacquette, dague, ou haubergeon, brigandine, hache ou guisarme".

Nota in 1473 Charles the Rash wrote an ordonnance saying: the men at arm must have 3 horses with one "souffisant de courre et rompre lance" and the other two with a price at least 30 écus, for the coustillier he wrote the armor required ; a brigandine or a corset "fendu sur le costé a la maniere de allemaigne", a gorgerin and a salade. And for the offensive weapons: javeline ( light spear), a sword and a "dague longue tranchant a deux costez". his horse must have a price no less than 25 ecus.

Hope this texts help you.

Skullzgrinda · Post by **Skullzgrinda** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:56 pm

olivier wrote:As in Chartier "Chronique de Charles VII t2 p235 (1449) B.N. fr. 23963 "les hommes d'armes estoient tous armez de bonne cuirasses, harnois de jambes, espées, sallades, dont la plus part desdites salades estoient garnies d'argent, et lances que portoient les pages de chacun d'iceulx hommes d'armes, montez trois bon chevaulx, savoir pour luy, son page et son varlet, lequel varlet estoit armé de sallade, jacquette, dague, ou haubergeon, brigandine, hache ou guisarme".

Nota in 1473 Charles the Rash wrote an ordonnance saying: the men at arm must have 3 horses with one "souffisant de courre et rompre lance" and the other two with a price at least 30 écus, for the coustillier he wrote the armor required ; a brigandine or a corset "fendu sur le costé a la maniere de allemaigne", a gorgerin and a salade. And for the offensive weapons: javeline ( light spear), a sword and a "dague longue tranchant a deux costez". his horse must have a price no less than 25 ecus.

Hope this texts help you.

Nyet. Potamooshtoo yah nyeh govaryoo pah Franzooski yahzeek.

But today I shall ask my Cajun friend.

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:49 pm

Nyet. Potamooshtoo yah nyeh govaryoo pah Franzooski yahzeek.

Too bad, tovaritch!

I don't know the english equivalent for the pieces of armor and the more exotic arms