Rout in Impact Phase

Bugle999 · Post by **Bugle999** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:31 pm

Quick question please...
1. A unit of HCh hits a unit of Disrupted Cav in the rear and routs it in the Impact phase.
2. The Cav makes its rout move.
3. The Hch makes its pursuit move and hits a unit of disordered LH in the rear.
4. The Impact between HCh and LH is immediately fought (think this is right?)
5. The LH routs and the HCh tries to make its pursuit move (2nd Pursuit move, is this right?).
6. The pursuit move of the HCh cannot be completed because the original Cav is in the way?
7. What happens to the HCh?
a) Does it hit the routing Cav (no fight) and then pursue again in the Jap phase?
b) Does it stop 1" short of Cav?
c) something else?
TIA

babyshark · Post by **babyshark** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:13 am

I am not sure that a seven part question, with three subheadings under one of the questions can count as "one quick question."

Having said that, you have it pretty much right, except that the Lh---pursued into by the HCh---will have an opportunity to evade before being hit. If the Lh stays or is caught then proceed as you outlined. The HCh, if pursuing the broken Lh, will hit the broken Cav and stay there; it will have another chance to pursue the Cav in the JAP.

Since this is not a pursuit, the Cav will not immediately lose a base.

Marc

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:05 am

Firstly as pointed out the LH should get a chance to evade.

Secondly if the HCh lose contact with the cavalry then hit something else and break that then it is perfectly possible that they will hit the initial routers.

If they hit the initial routers then nothing happens as the HCh were not pursuers remaining in contact so no base is lost and there is no chance of a commander being killed. In the JAP the cavalry rout again and the HCh may (or may not if they make a CMT) pursue. If there is another pursuit in the JAP then it is a normal pursuit and if the HCh remain in contact the cavalry lose a base etc.

Bugle999 · Post by **Bugle999** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:13 pm

Thanks to all for anwering my 'quick question' - all understood.
We played it right except forgetting that the LH could have evaded - what you would think is the easy bit!
Cheers again!

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:43 pm

4. The Impact between HCh and LH is immediately fought (think this is right?)

This bit doesn't look right, and I don't have the rules handy to check.

Do you actually mean that the HCh can fight twice in the Impact phase? Once against the Cv, and then, after pursuit, once against the newly contacted LH?
And then pursues a second time?

johno

TERRYFROMSPOKANE · Post by **TERRYFROMSPOKANE** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:03 am

Page 108: "If pursuers contact fresh enemy in any phase.......Combat is adjudicated in the next impact phase. (Except that if contact occurred in the impact phase it is adjudicated in the same impact phase)."

Terry G.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:25 pm

johno wrote:
4. The Impact between HCh and LH is immediately fought (think this is right?)
This bit doesn't look right, and I don't have the rules handy to check.

Do you actually mean that the HCh can fight twice in the Impact phase? Once against the Cv, and then, after pursuit, once against the newly contacted LH?
And then pursues a second time?

Yup, my record is three charges in the same phase by the same BG of medium foot breaking two BGs of knights and fragmenting a BG of light horse (the knights ran through it before it got a chance to evade)

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:52 pm

Thanks for the replies - I did actually find the section when I got my hands on the rules again.

I can see that it could produce some startling breakthroughs in a very short time!

Johno

david53 · Post by **david53** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:24 pm

johno wrote:
4. The Impact between HCh and LH is immediately fought (think this is right?)
This bit doesn't look right, and I don't have the rules handy to check.

Do you actually mean that the HCh can fight twice in the Impact phase? Once against the Cv, and then, after pursuit, once against the newly contacted LH?
And then pursues a second time?

johno

The problum is the LH can evade away from the Hch, if they had contacted I thought that would have been sorted out in the next impact phase?

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:51 pm

current impact phase if that is the phase it occurs in, next impact phase if it happens during a non-impact phase part of the turn, so pursuit after melee or pursuit hits new target during a normal rout in joint action phase.

ShrubMiK · Post by **ShrubMiK** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:29 am

hammy wrote:
johno wrote:

Yup, my record is three charges in the same phase by the same BG of medium foot breaking two BGs of knights and fragmenting a BG of light horse (the knights ran through it before it got a chance to evade)

Borrowing from other forums..."post a replay, or it didn't happen"

Ach, I'm just jealous.