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david53 · Post by **david53** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:45 pm

I know this has been done to death but need a finial answer.

I was playing this evening and the following happened.

I had a BG of four Bow/Swd in one line toe to toe with a BG of Knights not fighting. Too the rear of the Knights outside 2MU I had a BG of elite Cavalry Bow/Swd ready to charge said Knights.
Now my club opponent through a dice passed a CMT and thought he could contract the Knights into a coloum furthest away from the BG too their rear as long as he moved forward in this instance less than 1mm.
In this event it was worked out he could'nt do it because he could not contract and move less than 3mu.
Now as it was not bothered but would like to know if this was correct as far as i thought there was only a few things you could do if pinned and i thought contracting was one off them.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:14 pm

I believe you may only contract as part of a move that ends further away. Not if you advance or remain stationary,

Chris

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:03 am

page 74 restricted area:
pinned unit may advance towards the enemy
wheel towards the enemy
remain in place, it can expand or turn can not contract
make a move that ends further away
conform to an overlap position against another enemy battle group

Yah he had to stand and take it like a man, or a wimpy little girl in his case

Just remember you can't do much of anything while pinned and all the fancy stuff is out.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:17 am

deadtorius wrote:page 74 restricted area:
pinned unit may advance towards the enemy
.................
remain in place, it can expand or turn can not contract
.................
conform to an overlap position against another enemy battle group

Yah he had to stand and take it like a man, or a wimpy little girl in his case Just remember you can't do much of anything while pinned and all the fancy stuff is out.

Advance and contract is not remaining in place.

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:51 am

It's always the same question (and given how often it crops up probably FAQ worthy) does 'advance towards the enemy' indicate a move from the 'advance' category (hence no contraction allowed) or is it meant literally, i.e. move towards the enemy using any available manoeuvre from the move table?

According to the authors it's meant to be read as 'a move from the advance category', so no contraction allowed, see: viewtopic.php?p=83887#83887

Personal note: Can't think straight this morning (and hate grammar anyway) is it 'any available manoeuvre' or 'every available manoeuvre'? Gah...

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:01 pm

philqw78 wrote:
deadtorius wrote:page 74 restricted area:
pinned unit may advance towards the enemy
.................
remain in place, it can expand or turn can not contract
.................
conform to an overlap position against another enemy battle group

Yah he had to stand and take it like a man, or a wimpy little girl in his case Just remember you can't do much of anything while pinned and all the fancy stuff is out.
Advance and contract is not remaining in place.

Also does this prohibition on contracting prevent a BG of Spear or Pike 4 wide by 2 deep go into orb when restricted as the first part of forming an orb is to contract to a 2 wide formation?

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:26 pm

Ghaznavid wrote:I

According to the authors it's meant to be read as 'a move from the advance category', so no contraction allowed, see: viewtopic.php?p=83887#83887

Looking at that thread again the rules when re-printed (not changed) could do with references to a specific rule say the advance move be in a differnt color than the generic use of the term advance.

Just as moves should be ordinary or complex. So simple doesn't appear in two places. Or such.

Just to add clarity.

mhohio · Post by **mhohio** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:15 pm

This actually crept up last night versus my Nemesis... under a move away from he contends that in that move since he is going away from he would be allowed to contract... I know that this was talked about before... what is the rule on that???

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:31 pm

mhohio wrote:This actually crept up last night versus my Nemesis... under a move away from he contends that in that move since he is going away from he would be allowed to contract... I know that this was talked about before... what is the rule on that???

As long as every part of the 'retreating' BG ends up further away from the enemy then any part of it has been before that move it is pretty much an anything goes (within the options availbble to the BG in question of course).
If say the left front corner of the BG was at exactly 1 MU from the pinning enemy and all parts of the BG end up more then 1 MU away from it a contraction during that move would be legal. What would IMO not be legal is if the move consisted of a contraction only; as it is not a move away from the enemy then and remaining stationary explicitly forbids contracting.

mhohio · Post by **mhohio** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:34 pm

And if the unit is facing directly away from the Zone.. and the unit moves away from Zone... then may the unit at the end of moving away, contract??

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:46 pm

mhohio wrote:And if the unit is facing directly away from the Zone.. and the unit moves away from Zone... then may the unit at the end of moving away, contract??

Yes.

madcam2us · Post by **madcam2us** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:05 pm

One day MHohio will learn....

I'm trying, but he is very resistent....

Madcam.

mhohio · Post by **mhohio** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:34 pm

He will not be able to let me live this one down.....

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:21 am

The simple fix for this is to put any defined words with a capital to indicate that its a defined term rather than more general colloquial language.

Ghaznavid wrote:It's always the same question (and given how often it crops up probably FAQ worthy) does 'advance towards the enemy' indicate a move from the 'advance' category (hence no contraction allowed) or is it meant literally, i.e. move towards the enemy using any available manoeuvre from the move table?

According to the authors it's meant to be read as 'a move from the advance category', so no contraction allowed, see: viewtopic.php?p=83887#83887

Personal note: Can't think straight this morning (and hate grammar anyway) is it 'any available manoeuvre' or 'every available manoeuvre'? Gah...