Should British Cruiser/Crusader/Cromwell Tanks be in the same Upgrade Family?

[Konigstiger88]

Should British Cruiser III/IV, Crusader and Cromwell tanks all be in the same upgrade family? Each cruiser tanks hull was improved from the last, sometimes with significant changes. This would make playing as the British somewhat affordable, rather than changing upgrade tank families every year.

[Locarnus]

I agree.

Had a similar problem for Soviet Corps when I made that compatible with my Locarnus Addon mod.

There was no reason for the player to purchase a T-28 early on, since it had no cheap upgrade options.
I then put the Matilda II tank in the same upgrade family, to provide a viable path at least until 1942.
Even though those tanks had no technical commonalities, putting them in the same upgrade family led to players fielding both of them instead of fielding neither.

[Konigstiger88]

Did you include the T-35 as well?

[Locarnus]

Did you include the T-35 as well?

Unfortunately I do not have a T-35 graphic that fits well next to the existing T-28 graphic.
If I did, I would probably put the T-35 at the beginning of the KV family.

[bondjamesbond]

I agree.

Had a similar problem for Soviet Corps when I made that compatible with my Locarnus Addon mod.

There was no reason for the player to purchase a T-28 early on, since it had no cheap upgrade options.
I then put the Matilda II tank in the same upgrade family, to provide a viable path at least until 1942.
Even though those tanks had no technical commonalities, putting them in the same upgrade family led to players fielding both of them instead of fielding neither.

https://alternathistory.ru/suhinenko-b- ... vozmozhno/

Did you include the T-35 as well?

Unfortunately I do not have a T-35 graphic that fits well next to the existing T-28 graphic.
If I did, I would probably put the T-35 at the beginning of the KV family.

Т-35 и Т-28
https://battlefield.ru/content/view/91/50/lang,ru/

This is a T-35 from the mod pack; there might be a slightly different one in here.
viewtopic.php?t=50342

[bondjamesbond]

wink:

[Locarnus]

Did you include the T-35 as well?

Unfortunately I do not have a T-35 graphic that fits well next to the existing T-28 graphic.
If I did, I would probably put the T-35 at the beginning of the KV family.

Т-35 и Т-28
https://battlefield.ru/content/view/91/50/lang,ru/

This is a T-35 from the mod pack; there might be a slightly different one in here.
viewtopic.php?t=50342

Ok, that picture with both T-35 and T-28 convinced me.
The T-35 really is that absurdly large...
Reminds me of that TOG II from the British.

I also found a graphic from guille1434 icon pack. Will include T-35 in my next Addon mod update.
Thank you very much for all your sources and pictures!

[bondjamesbond]

Unfortunately I do not have a T-35 graphic that fits well next to the existing T-28 graphic.
If I did, I would probably put the T-35 at the beginning of the KV family.

Т-35 и Т-28
https://battlefield.ru/content/view/91/50/lang,ru/

This is a T-35 from the mod pack; there might be a slightly different one in here.
viewtopic.php?t=50342

Ok, that picture with both T-35 and T-28 convinced me.
The T-35 really is that absurdly large...
Reminds me of that TOG II from the British.

I also found a graphic from guille1434 icon pack. Will include T-35 in my next Addon mod update.
Thank you very much for all your sources and pictures!

German troops are inspecting an abandoned T-35.

A replica of the T-35 heavy tank, in working order.


Two German soldiers pose on a Soviet T-35 tank. Ukraine, summer 1941.

T-35, T-34 and BT tanks on Lev Tolstoy Street in Moscow, November 1941

A T-35 at a military parade in Kyiv in 1935.This photograph clearly shows the sheer size of the ‘mastodon’ T-35
compared to the light T-27 tanks

The Red Army’s giant armoured moving fortresses proved virtually useless in the manoeuvre warfare of 1941. Pictured here is a Soviet T-35 heavy tank near Lviv, Western Ukraine. The tank’s crew numbered at least 14 tank crew members. Their ranks even included a junior political officer.


The T-35 is a Soviet heavy tank.


The running gear of the T-35A tank.
The T-35 was a Soviet multi-turreted heavy tank of the interwar period and the early stages of the Second World War, the production and service of which in the Red Army were limited. Often referred to as a ‘land battleship’, it was the only five-turret heavy tank in the world to enter production, but proved to be slow and mechanically unreliable. Most of the T-35 tanks still in service during Operation Barbarossa were lost due to mechanical failures rather than enemy action.


German soldiers inspect a damaged Soviet T-35 heavy tank in Lviv in 1941


The captured twin-turreted ‘Sergei Mironovich Kirov’ of the Special Heavy Tank Company (SMK, comprising T-100 and KV-1 tanks, which took part in the attack on the Hottinen fortified area on 17–19 December 1939) of the 90th Battalion of the 20th Heavy Tank Brigade of the Red Army, which was blown up by an enemy landmine on 19 December deep within Finnish positions and remained there until 26 February, Karelia, 1940.
The Soviet–Finnish War. The Karelian Isthmus, 1 January 1940.
This vehicle was intended to provide effective reinforcement for combined-arms formations when breaking through particularly strong and pre-fortified enemy defensive lines, and to replace the T-35 heavy tank. The prototype took part in combat operations on the Karelian Isthmus during the Finnish War. Its first battle took place on 17 December 1939 in the vicinity of the Finnish fortified area of Hottinen.
On the third day of fighting, having broken through deep into the Finnish defences and moving at the head of a tank column, the SMK ran over a pile of crates, beneath which lay a camouflaged landmine.
The explosion damaged the track and the tank came to a halt.
A T-100 pulled up alongside, providing cover for the disabled SMK.
Taking advantage of this, the SMK’s crew spent several hours attempting to get the vehicle moving again.
However, they were unable to do so, and the SMK had to be left in the neutral zone.
The crew were evacuated, but the tank itself remained behind the front line until the end of February. The loss of the experimental tank provoked a sharp reaction from the head of the ABTU, Dmitri Grigoryevich Pavlov (1897–1941). On his personal orders, on 20 December 1939, a company from the 167th Mechanised Rifle Brigade and the 37th Engineer Company, reinforced by two guns and seven T-28 tanks, were deployed to rescue the secret combat vehicle. The detachment was commanded by Captain Nikulenko.
The detachment managed to break through the Finnish anti-tank barriers by 100–150 metres, where it was met by heavy enemy artillery and machine-gun fire.
Having suffered 47 killed and wounded, the detachment withdrew to its starting positions without having carried out its order. The damaged SMK remained deep within the Finnish positions until the end of February 1940. It was not until 26 February, following the breakthrough of the main section of the Mannerheim Line, that it was possible to inspect it. In early March 1940, the SMK was towed to Perk-Järvi station with the aid of six T-28 tanks and dispatched in dismantled form to the Kirov Plant.
On the instructions of the Red Army’s Armoured and Tank Directorate (ABTU), the factory was to repair the tank and transfer it to Kubinka, near Moscow, for storage. However, for a number of reasons, the repairs were never carried out. The SMK lay in the factory’s backyards until the 1950s, after which it was sent for remelting.

https://inf.news/en/military/64e1d109ec ... aa57a.html