Why is my strategic bomber getting shot down by an Italian recon jeep with a 50 cal?

[prestidigitation]

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There are many choices in this game that make little sense to me but this one takes the cake. I have no idea why this thing even has an AA value but it is utter nonsense that it is high enough to damage a strategic bomber. Unless this thing is secretly packing manpads from the 80s I don't see how this is remotely plausible or good balance.

[adiekmann]

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There are many choices in this game that make little sense to me but this one takes the cake. I have no idea why this thing even has an AA value but it is utter nonsense that it is high enough to damage a strategic bomber. Unless this thing is secretly packing manpads from the 80s I don't see how this is remotely plausible or good balance.

Because the main armament of the SPA-Viberti AS.42 Sahariana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPA-Viber ... nt_&_Armor was a 20 mm auto cannon. I think you'd agree that a 20mm cannon has what it takes to shoot down an aircraft. I'm surprised, however, that it took down a strat bomber, unless it had only 1 strength point left. They are usually are pretty safe from low caliber AA guns.

[prestidigitation]

The actual reason is that this recon car doesn't have the trait that makes most of its damage go to suppression so even though its a terrible gun with terrible AA value it kills planes on the top difficulty. Often it will put 0-2 on the board against planes.

The performance is nonsense.

[adiekmann]

The actual reason is that this recon car doesn't have the trait that makes most of its damage go to suppression so even though its a terrible gun with terrible AA value it kills planes on the top difficulty. Often it will put 0-2 on the board against planes.

The performance is nonsense.

I've not noticed that, but I wonder if it's a one-off freak occurrence, or if it's happened numerous times to you. Or if there is an error in its stats or settings. A 20mm gun is NOT supposed to able to deal regular damage to a high altitude strategic bomber.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

The actual reason is that this recon car doesn't have the trait that makes most of its damage go to suppression so even though its a terrible gun with terrible AA value it kills planes on the top difficulty. Often it will put 0-2 on the board against planes.

The performance is nonsense.

I've not noticed that, but I wonder if it's a one-off freak occurrence, or if it's happened numerous times to you. Or if there is an error in its stats or settings. A 20mm gun is NOT supposed to able to deal regular damage to a high altitude strategic bomber.

A status thing, normal 20mm AA guns have 6 AA value, even that 4 AA value on the sahariana is more than enough to damage an aircraft with 11 ground defense in terms of how attack and defence works in this game. There is no "high altitude" thing that prevents small caliber guns from shooting at an aircraft, and game does not list all strategic bombers as "strategic bombers", or tactical bombers as "tactical bombers". The Whitley is a heavy bomber by British naming, but that does not neccessarily mean it is heavily armoured or protected, being long ranged or can be heavily loaded also counts.

[adiekmann]

The actual reason is that this recon car doesn't have the trait that makes most of its damage go to suppression so even though its a terrible gun with terrible AA value it kills planes on the top difficulty. Often it will put 0-2 on the board against planes.

The performance is nonsense.

I've not noticed that, but I wonder if it's a one-off freak occurrence, or if it's happened numerous times to you. Or if there is an error in its stats or settings. A 20mm gun is NOT supposed to able to deal regular damage to a high altitude strategic bomber.

A status thing, normal 20mm AA guns have 6 AA value, even that 4 AA value on the sahariana is more than enough to damage an aircraft with 11 ground defense in terms of how attack and defence works in this game. There is no "high altitude" thing that prevents small caliber guns from shooting at an aircraft, and game does not list all strategic bombers as "strategic bombers", or tactical bombers as "tactical bombers". The Whitley is a heavy bomber by British naming, but that does not neccessarily mean it is heavily armoured or protected, being long ranged or can be heavily loaded also counts.

I am not someone who has a deep knowledge of the stats compared to you, but you do have the "low altitude attack" trait that tac bombers usually have, and strat bombers usually don't. Same for rapid firing lower caliber AA guns. But of course there are differences between aircraft that can give different results. That is what I was referring to in the previous post. So in theory, you could give a Stuka, for example, a Vigilant Hero and that would negate a lot of that bonus effect.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

I've not noticed that, but I wonder if it's a one-off freak occurrence, or if it's happened numerous times to you. Or if there is an error in its stats or settings. A 20mm gun is NOT supposed to able to deal regular damage to a high altitude strategic bomber.

A status thing, normal 20mm AA guns have 6 AA value, even that 4 AA value on the sahariana is more than enough to damage an aircraft with 11 ground defense in terms of how attack and defence works in this game. There is no "high altitude" thing that prevents small caliber guns from shooting at an aircraft, and game does not list all strategic bombers as "strategic bombers", or tactical bombers as "tactical bombers". The Whitley is a heavy bomber by British naming, but that does not neccessarily mean it is heavily armoured or protected, being long ranged or can be heavily loaded also counts.

I am not someone who has a deep knowledge of the stats compared to you, but you do have the "low altitude attack" trait that tac bombers usually have, and strat bombers usually don't. Same for rapid firing lower caliber AA guns. But of course there are differences between aircraft that can give different results. That is what I was referring to in the previous post. So in theory, you could give a Stuka, for example, a Vigilant Hero and that would negate a lot of that bonus effect.

LAA trait on aircraft makes AA units with the same trait attack their Close Defense instead of the normal Ground Defence, for most of them this means 0 defence value, so even machineguns can kill such ground attackers.