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Post by mikekh »

timurilenk wrote:
mikekh wrote:... also I'd like to extend it to be 'web enabled' where users can post their lists directly to a server - this could be a means of organising a tournament and allowing entrants to submit their lists for validation etc.


Mike
At many tournaments, we are lucky to get lists in on time in any format :D
:)

I could make the app so that it can send/receive a 'broadcast' message. Bottom line is that if a player has this app you can send a polite 'get your list in...' message.
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I've added another screenshot showing how to colour-code the deployment groups. This is a manual process - but quite quick to do and there is no reason that it can't be automated if people think it would be useful.


See
https://sites.google.com/site/armylistb ... screen-4-1


At some point I'll get round to writing a basic user guide, in the meantime the best thing to do is just play around and experiment with the features.

Mike
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Post by kevinj »

Hi Mike, thank you for the latest version.

Printing works fine but seems slow, I guess that's due to the nature of the app. A few minor points:

1) There is a spelling error for Fortifications (as Fortifciations).

2) Would it be possible to incorporate a small gap between the details and the list? Just an aesthetic request!

3) Is it possible to not pring the Row Numbers from the sheet? Again mostly aesthetic but the numbers and the extra (blank) row that prints could be confusing along with the March Order.


A couple of other things I've found, possibly they just need to be made known to users:

1) Saving lists works fine but I can't associate the .fog files with the app to open by double clicking.

2) If I copy an individual Cell (such as a name), Paste does not appear in the Right Click menu (but Ctrl-V works).

In an earlier post you requested suggestions for the "User Details" needed, here is a starter:

Competition
Period
Player Name(s)
Club


Thanks again,


Kevin
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Post by mikekh »

kevinj wrote:Hi Mike, thank you for the latest version.

Printing works fine but seems slow, I guess that's due to the nature of the app. A few minor points:

1) There is a spelling error for Fortifications (as Fortifciations).

2) Would it be possible to incorporate a small gap between the details and the list? Just an aesthetic request!

3) Is it possible to not pring the Row Numbers from the sheet? Again mostly aesthetic but the numbers and the extra (blank) row that prints could be confusing along with the March Order.


A couple of other things I've found, possibly they just need to be made known to users:

1) Saving lists works fine but I can't associate the .fog files with the app to open by double clicking.

2) If I copy an individual Cell (such as a name), Paste does not appear in the Right Click menu (but Ctrl-V works).

In an earlier post you requested suggestions for the "User Details" needed, here is a starter:

Competition
Period
Player Name(s)
Club


Thanks again,


Kevin

Thanks for the feedback Kevin.
I've done the first three items that you've suggested.
I'll look into associating the app with .fog and also the Paste bug.
I think the 4 items you listed for tournaments are probably all that's needed. I'll include them.

I've *not* updated the website yet so the fixes are not yet available.

Thanks

Mike
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Post by Ghaznavid »

mikekh wrote: I could make the app so that it can send/receive a 'broadcast' message. Bottom line is that if a player has this app you can send a polite 'get your list in...' message.
Which translates to: The application opens a port and listens on it, i.e. in my book it becomes a potential security hazard and something never to be installed on my systems (or any machine I might be responsible for). No application should ever open ports unnecessarily for some gimmick feature (even M$ is slowly learning this, although they still can't resist the tempatation of violating such simple security precautions).

I don't think it would be a useful feature at all anyway. Unless the program stays resident (which I certainly hope it does not) chances are the intended recipients won't get the message, while numerous others, not interested in that particular tournament, might.
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Ghaznavid wrote:
mikekh wrote: I could make the app so that it can send/receive a 'broadcast' message. Bottom line is that if a player has this app you can send a polite 'get your list in...' message.
Which translates to: The application opens a port and listens on it, i.e. in my book it becomes a potential security hazard and something never to be installed on my systems (or any machine I might be responsible for). No application should ever open ports unnecessarily for some gimmick feature (even M$ is slowly learning this, although they still can't resist the tempatation of violating such simple security precautions).

I don't think it would be a useful feature at all anyway. Unless the program stays resident (which I certainly hope it does not) chances are the intended recipients won't get the message, while numerous others, not interested in that particular tournament, might.
Depends how it's written - if you know what you are doing then it's not an issue.
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mikekh wrote:
Ghaznavid wrote: Which translates to: The application opens a port and listens on it, i.e. in my book it becomes a potential security hazard and something never to be installed on my systems (or any machine I might be responsible for). No application should ever open ports unnecessarily for some gimmick feature (even M$ is slowly learning this, although they still can't resist the tempatation of violating such simple security precautions).
Depends how it's written - if you know what you are doing then it's not an issue.
Hmm, so you are saying that the people that put together Windows, Adobe Reader, Flash and so on, either don't know what they are doing or included the exploits found in their applications fully intentional?

Frankly once you get over a certain amount of complexity there is no such thing as a flawless program. Not to mention that I understood you are using external libraries in your code. So even if the stuff you write is flawless, can you guarantee the same for those external parts in your code?
Karsten


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Post by kevinj »

Mike,

Here's a problem I've found. If you create a combined unit and then split it, the calculation functions all stop working. This affects both changes to any BGs that have already been created and any new ones that are added.

Kevin
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Ghaznavid wrote:
mikekh wrote:
Ghaznavid wrote: Which translates to: The application opens a port and listens on it, i.e. in my book it becomes a potential security hazard and something never to be installed on my systems (or any machine I might be responsible for). No application should ever open ports unnecessarily for some gimmick feature (even M$ is slowly learning this, although they still can't resist the tempatation of violating such simple security precautions).
Depends how it's written - if you know what you are doing then it's not an issue.
Hmm, so you are saying that the people that put together Windows, Adobe Reader, Flash and so on, either don't know what they are doing or included the exploits found in their applications fully intentional?

Frankly once you get over a certain amount of complexity there is no such thing as a flawless program. Not to mention that I understood you are using external libraries in your code. So even if the stuff you write is flawless, can you guarantee the same for those external parts in your code?
Karsten,

The software is there - if you want to use it cool, if you don't - still cool. It's your choice.

Thanks

Mike
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kevinj wrote:Mike,

Here's a problem I've found. If you create a combined unit and then split it, the calculation functions all stop working. This affects both changes to any BGs that have already been created and any new ones that are added.

Kevin
Thanks Kevin, I'll look at that.

Mike
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mikekh wrote:
kevinj wrote:Mike,

Here's a problem I've found. If you create a combined unit and then split it, the calculation functions all stop working. This affects both changes to any BGs that have already been created and any new ones that are added.

Kevin
Thanks Kevin, I'll look at that.

Mike
Hi Kevin,

I've fixed it and hope to get a new version on the website soon. In the meantime a workaround is to ensure that the combined BG has a number in its 'March Order' column before you split it.

Mike
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Thanks Mike, that solves it.

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Post by Ghaznavid »

mikekh wrote:Karsten,

The software is there - if you want to use it cool, if you don't - still cool. It's your choice.

Thanks

Mike
Seems you get me wrong. I've nothing against your program and I certainly appreciate the time and effort you put in it. I just dislike the idea to include a feature that's rather unlikely to be useful while at the same time including a completely unnecessary security risk.
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Post by Blathergut »

What does this one do that Olivier's doesn't? Just curious.
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Post by mikekh »

Latest version is now up on the download site. At https://sites.google.com/site/armylistbuilder/downloads


Includes support for user details, optionally saved with the list and, optionally, included in the printout.
Fixed print preview - the army title, generals ect are now visible in the preview.
Fixed bug whereby cut/delete a full row prevented a new entry in that row having defaults filled in.
Splitting a merged BG no longer breaks the insertion defaults.
Minor change in the layout of the army title and the points.
Removed row numbers from the printout.
Inserted gap between text and table in the printout.

NOTE: Lists created with previous versions will not be compatible with this one.


Again, any feedback is welcome. I'm particularly interested in feedback from Mac users.

Thanks

Mike
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Post by mikekh »

Blathergut wrote:What does this one do that Olivier's doesn't? Just curious.
Quite a few things really. Essentially this is an application written specifically for FoG lists whereas the spreadsheet is an application of Excel to FoG list.
Writing a custom application provide greater scope and opportunity for development.

Personally I found the spreadsheet awkward to use - this is not a crticism of Olivier - it's the way Excel is. So I wrote an application for my own use and then thought others may want to have a go with it.

Cheers

Mike
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Post by celticht32 »

Found a few things with the latest drop that don't work or are bugs..

If you make changes to the list or create a new list and then click the X to close.. the app shuts down without asking if you want to save your changes.

If you want to do a cut and paste and right click on the first column nothing happens you have to select edit and cut.. not the same if you are in the middle of the columns...

Cut and paste is not consistent.. so if I want to cut and paste a name to a new line with something in it .. it wont let you... you have to delete the cell and then insert..

Coloring of the BG's are a bit kludgy.. and doesnt seem to make sense or work the way you think..

Might want to think of selecting a range and then assigning a general with a specific color or something...

chris
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celticht32 wrote:Found a few things with the latest drop that don't work or are bugs..

If you make changes to the list or create a new list and then click the X to close.. the app shuts down without asking if you want to save your changes.

If you want to do a cut and paste and right click on the first column nothing happens you have to select edit and cut.. not the same if you are in the middle of the columns...

Cut and paste is not consistent.. so if I want to cut and paste a name to a new line with something in it .. it wont let you... you have to delete the cell and then insert..

Coloring of the BG's are a bit kludgy.. and doesnt seem to make sense or work the way you think..

Might want to think of selecting a range and then assigning a general with a specific color or something...

chris
If you make changes to the list or create a new list and then click the X to close.. the app shuts down without asking if you want to save your changes.
Yes, that is annoying and will be fixed.

If you want to do a cut and paste and right click on the first column nothing happens you have to select edit and cut.. not the same if you are in the middle of the columns...
Just put the cursor into the cell in the first column, if the caret appears (a verticalbar) then you are in edit mode and can't C&P.


Cut and paste is not consistent.. so if I want to cut and paste a name to a new line with something in it .. it wont let you... you have to delete the cell and then insert..
Same answer as above


Coloring of the BG's are a bit kludgy.. and doesnt seem to make sense or work the way you think..
Errmm just select some cells and change the foreground and/or background


Mike
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Post by kevinj »

Mike,

I've noticed a problem with Print/Print Preview. They only seems to recognise 1 page and ignore anything that doesn't fit onto that. I've tried reducing font size but that doesn't seem to help. This wasn't a problem until I started trying lists from Empires of the Dragon which has a lot of mixed BGs that occupy significantly more space. Maybe you could remove the "Combined Unit" text?

Kevin
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kevinj wrote:Mike,

I've noticed a problem with Print/Print Preview. They only seems to recognise 1 page and ignore anything that doesn't fit onto that. I've tried reducing font size but that doesn't seem to help. This wasn't a problem until I started trying lists from Empires of the Dragon which has a lot of mixed BGs that occupy significantly more space. Maybe you could remove the "Combined Unit" text?

Kevin
Hi Kevin,

Can you be more specific please on how to create the problem? I've just made a list with 18 combined BGs and a dozen or so ordinary units, it runs to 3 pages and prints/previews ok.
How many rows are there in the list?
In the preview screen are the next and previous page widgets active?
Maybe you could email me the list at
mike_k_houghton@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks
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