Empires of the Dragon

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:59 pm

mellis1644 wrote:
MARVIN_THE_ARVN wrote:My book has arrived in Manchester, sadly im in London
On this side of the Pond it's not available for another week....22nd is the listed date. So you'll likely still get it before we do.

Direct flight to Manchester, quick break-in steal bbok & fly home again ?

How are the Khmer treated in this ? Can I use the elephant artillery as anything other than cool looking baggage ?

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:24 pm

Expect to see lots of Khmer armies for sale on eBay.

The Cavalry are worse than DBM, the Bow are ok but the spearmen are nothing write home about. The chariots are the worst I have seen so far. The good news, you can use your Nelle Art(F) as undrilled light artillery but I am not sure what you will do with them. Other than the Elephants, I can see it being a big army. The good news (the only good news?) is that the core troops are mainly drilled. The optional are almost all undrilled.

Champa look better. You can have an all Average (so able to support) 3 BG of El, 4 TC and 11 other BG (all drilled) at 800 Points. 6 of them will be MF with Lt Spear...

LambertSimnel · Post by **LambertSimnel** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:40 pm

Scrumpy wrote:
mellis1644 wrote:[

How are the Khmer treated in this ? Can I use the elephant artillery as anything other than cool looking baggage ?

Yes, you can use 4 bases as cool looking Light Artillery.

Other than the artillery and the 12 real Elephants (plus 6 more your allies can give you), the army consists of endless multitudes of utter cack. Nothing Superior, nothing Armoured, and no Close Combat capability other than Light Spear.

Also, it must be just about the only list where the cheapest Cavalry BG costs less than the cheapest Mob BG.

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:54 pm

And the Burmese can't be an ally for anyone - s0 if you have a couple of Burmese elephants, you need another 10 !!!

richnz · Post by **richnz** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:12 pm

I was quite gutted when I read that my favourite Tamil army of elephants and fast blades now consists of El and MF unprot average swordsmen = road kill

Or I could run them as Sinhalese and back them up with masses up poor unprot bow?

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:46 pm

richnz wrote:I was quite gutted when I read that my favourite Tamil army of elephants and fast blades now consists of El and MF unprot average swordsmen = road kill

Or I could run them as Sinhalese and back them up with masses up poor unprot bow?

as i said a ways back, a big big book full of [crap] MF.

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:56 pm

OldenTired wrote:
richnz wrote:I was quite gutted when I read that my favourite Tamil army of elephants and fast blades now consists of El and MF unprot average swordsmen = road kill

Or I could run them as Sinhalese and back them up with masses up poor unprot bow?
as i said a ways back, a big big book full of [crap] MF.

Yes indeed. Can't decide whether to rebase my Chinese - or sell them all !!

MarkSieber · Post by **MarkSieber** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:44 pm

I've already rebased and am looking forward to playing my Han Chinese. A whole book of MF means a whole book of reasonably set opponents with new tactics to learn. Tournament play is just a sideline--the best parts of the hobby are comradeship and history.

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:46 pm

MarkSieber wrote:I've already rebased and am looking forward to playing my Han Chinese. A whole book of MF means a whole book of reasonably set opponents with new tactics to learn. Tournament play is just a sideline--the best parts of the hobby are comradeship and history.

considering that i've just spent lunch-time browsing the history of V Macedonia for my principates, i'm inclined to agree.

domblas · Post by **domblas** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:59 am

spike wrote:
spike wrote:
hammy wrote:Amazon always send out warnings about delivery. Normally the books arrive when initially expected. I have no idea why this happens but if you check the forum you will find questions like yours being asked about the delivery of every book in the series
I have an alert from Amazon saying it was posted at 4pm Friday 11 sept

Arrived at 12, just in time for GP qualifing

mine is delayed by amazon.FR ......

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:22 pm

domblas wrote:
spike wrote:
spike wrote: I have an alert from Amazon saying it was posted at 4pm Friday 11 sept

Arrived at 12, just in time for GP qualifing
mine is delayed by amazon.FR ......

Same for amazon.de so I guess the English cheated.

Intothevalley · Post by **Intothevalley** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:56 pm

Ghaznavid wrote:
Same for amazon.de so I guess the English cheated.

Nope, still haven't received mine, but probably due to the posties being on strike on Monday.... Grrrrrrrr

LambertSimnel · Post by **LambertSimnel** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:24 pm

Oh my God! I've just looked at the special instructions for the Three Kingdoms Korean list and had flashbacks to DBM's Medieval German list.

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:28 am

richnz wrote:I was quite gutted when I read that my favourite Tamil army of elephants and fast blades now consists of El and MF unprot average swordsmen = road kill

Or I could run them as Sinhalese and back them up with masses up poor unprot bow?

I worked out an 800 point Sinhalese list with 19BGs and an inspired commander, with over 90 bases that could shoot! Most of it is utter crap but the poor mobs can give rear support to the poor bowmen and size has a quality all of its own.

richnz · Post by **richnz** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:47 am

Nice.

I did a quick back of the envelope to work out the same thing.

When will you be fielding this?

Sounds like 'operation human shield'

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:01 am

ottomanmjm wrote:[ Most of it is utter crap but the poor mobs can give rear support to the poor bowmen and size has a quality all of its own.

said the actress to the bishop.

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:28 am

richnz wrote:Nice.

I did a quick back of the envelope to work out the same thing.

When will you be fielding this? Sounds like 'operation human shield'

When I have painted up another 40 bases of MF bowmen

JCgoose · Post by **JCgoose** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:05 am

hmm sounds like a book I'll be giving a miss

davidandlynda · Post by **davidandlynda** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:35 am

Should be quite a laugh to put the Malayans opposite that,the only impact MF army in the book plus 12 elephants
David

Intothevalley · Post by **Intothevalley** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:21 pm

Well, I received my copy today and I'm very happy with the Chinese armies - armoured/protected medium foot with heavy weapons backed by armoured/protected Xbows or bows is better than what I was expecting, and now I'm really looking forward to trying out the official lists. I like the inclusion of medium foot with firearm for the Ming- maybe one day I'll be brave enough to use them!

Admittedly, some of the South Asian lists look a bit beyond my capabilities. Does anyone know of a use for medium foot with light spear only? This troop type appears in a good few of the books and I'm at a loss as to how to use them (especially the unprotected/undrilled version!). Perhaps I should start another thread.

Anyway, my congrats to the authors - good job.