How is it Determined which Artillery Unit Provides Defensive Fire

[Konigstiger88]

If a unit is attacking a unit that is next to two artillery units, how is it determined by the game which artillery unit will provide the defensive fire? Is it by which has the highest attack rating? If so, does it factor in rate of fire?

[cw58]

Interesting question! I ran several tests and these are my conclusions.

All the artillery units that are adjacent to a unit that is under attack will use supporting fire. The firing order of those artillery units is not effected by the size of the guns, strength points of the artillery or by its RoF. It appears that the placement of the artillery is what determines the order of supporting fire.

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In this screenshot, we have these units with several different RoF's:
1. 15cm sFH(t)
2. 7.5cm FK 16nA
3. 15cm sIG 33
4. 10.5cm leFH 18
5. 7.5cm leIG 18

The support firing began at position 1 and then proceeded clockwise. Position 5 was the last to fire; the 7.5cm leIG 18 also has the highest rate of fire. In all my tests, the firing began at that "8 o'clock" position and then continued clockwise. If there was no artillery unit at a position, the firing sequence continued at the next occupied position.

One other interesting thing: in the screenshot above, all the artillery units fired in support even though the attacker was destroyed by the 3rd artillery counter-attack. Hope that helps.

[Vintage]

This is definitely a real pity for game logic / realism.

[cw58]

This is definitely a real pity for game logic / realism.

That's true but honestly I had never noticed it before. Usually I have, at most, 2-3 artillery units in a support position. So I guess it makes sense to not spend a lot of time trying to code any kind of realism into those situations. But now I'll always be watching to see if there's ever any variation.

[Konigstiger88]

That's interesting, thanks!

[rubyjuno]

Interesting question! I ran several tests and these are my conclusions.

Thanks for doing this test and posting your results. Interesting to know.

[bondjamesbond]

Interesting question! I ran several tests and these are my conclusions.

All the artillery units that are adjacent to a unit that is under attack will use supporting fire. The firing order of those artillery units is not effected by the size of the guns, strength points of the artillery or by its RoF. It appears that the placement of the artillery is what determines the order of supporting fire.

artillery support.jpg

In this screenshot, we have these units with several different RoF's:
1. 15cm sFH(t)
2. 7.5cm FK 16nA
3. 15cm sIG 33
4. 10.5cm leFH 18
5. 7.5cm leIG 18

The support firing began at position 1 and then proceeded clockwise. Position 5 was the last to fire; the 7.5cm leIG 18 also has the highest rate of fire. In all my tests, the firing began at that "8 o'clock" position and then continued clockwise. If there was no artillery unit at a position, the firing sequence continued at the next occupied position.

One other interesting thing: in the screenshot above, all the artillery units fired in support even though the attacker was destroyed by the 3rd artillery counter-attack. Hope that helps.

Specifically rocket artillery and mortars, how do they behave ! ?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Реактивная_артиллерия
https://warspot.ru/11001-glazami-fronto ... -minomyoty

[cw58]

Interesting question! I ran several tests and these are my conclusions.

All the artillery units that are adjacent to a unit that is under attack will use supporting fire. The firing order of those artillery units is not effected by the size of the guns, strength points of the artillery or by its RoF. It appears that the placement of the artillery is what determines the order of supporting fire.

artillery support.jpg

In this screenshot, we have these units with several different RoF's:
1. 15cm sFH(t)
2. 7.5cm FK 16nA
3. 15cm sIG 33
4. 10.5cm leFH 18
5. 7.5cm leIG 18

The support firing began at position 1 and then proceeded clockwise. Position 5 was the last to fire; the 7.5cm leIG 18 also has the highest rate of fire. In all my tests, the firing began at that "8 o'clock" position and then continued clockwise. If there was no artillery unit at a position, the firing sequence continued at the next occupied position.

One other interesting thing: in the screenshot above, all the artillery units fired in support even though the attacker was destroyed by the 3rd artillery counter-attack. Hope that helps.

Specifically rocket artillery and mortars, how do they behave ! ?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Реактивная_артиллерия
https://warspot.ru/11001-glazami-fronto ... -minomyoty

Whether the unit is cannon, rocket or mortar doesn't matter; if the unit is class 4, it behaves in this manner. The only other artillery-type class is Class #18 and that class doesn't provide supporting fire.

But if anyone has a unique situation that doesn't follow this pattern, it would be interesting to hear about it.

Edit: I guess capital ships & some types of structure are also artillery-like units but they don't provide supporting fire either.

[bondjamesbond]

Interesting question! I ran several tests and these are my conclusions.

All the artillery units that are adjacent to a unit that is under attack will use supporting fire. The firing order of those artillery units is not effected by the size of the guns, strength points of the artillery or by its RoF. It appears that the placement of the artillery is what determines the order of supporting fire.

artillery support.jpg

In this screenshot, we have these units with several different RoF's:
1. 15cm sFH(t)
2. 7.5cm FK 16nA
3. 15cm sIG 33
4. 10.5cm leFH 18
5. 7.5cm leIG 18

The support firing began at position 1 and then proceeded clockwise. Position 5 was the last to fire; the 7.5cm leIG 18 also has the highest rate of fire. In all my tests, the firing began at that "8 o'clock" position and then continued clockwise. If there was no artillery unit at a position, the firing sequence continued at the next occupied position.

One other interesting thing: in the screenshot above, all the artillery units fired in support even though the attacker was destroyed by the 3rd artillery counter-attack. Hope that helps.

Specifically rocket artillery and mortars, how do they behave ! ?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Реактивная_артиллерия
https://warspot.ru/11001-glazami-fronto ... -minomyoty

Whether the unit is cannon, rocket or mortar doesn't matter; if the unit is class 4, it behaves in this manner. The only other artillery-type class is Class #18 and that class doesn't provide supporting fire.

But if anyone has a unique situation that doesn't follow this pattern, it would be interesting to hear about it.

Edit: I guess capital ships & some types of structure are also artillery-like units but they don't provide supporting fire either.

For example, the Coastal Armored Batteries are great at repelling enemy aircraft and artillery )


https://dzen.ru/a/ZCWbHYkntDjTif_4
https://lost-fortresses.livejournal.com/103639.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_railway_artillery