Storm Over Europe: Redux

[Manstein86]

it's great again. I can hardly wait anymore. you're doing good work. nice greetings from Berlin.

[BarbarianHunter]

Looking forward to replaying SCW through 1940, etc...You certainly are more communicative than the previous management, that's for sure . I wonder if the rules regarding Artillery will be vanilla or rework by Grondel (my preference would be vanilla). I wonder if there will be a recommended hero generation % like 33% or some such, as there look to be quite a few scenarios.

Thanks again for picking up the reigns on this as it's both fun and challenging making it my favorite mod.

Edit: While picking up the new novel mechanics from Grondel's mod (no move & fire for 21cm artillery, heavy infantry changes, pioneer max strength, etc...adds a level of difficulty I feel SOE was a better play without them and adding them here only boxes in mod players hungry for more content to a particular mandated non-vanilla playstyle (which, to me, is counterintuitive).

[Gnosport]

Looking forward to replaying SCW through 1940, etc...You certainly are more communicative than the previous management, that's for sure . I wonder if the rules regarding Artillery will be vanilla or rework by Grondel (my preference would be vanilla). I wonder if there will be a recommended hero generation % like 33% or some such, as there look to be quite a few scenarios.

Thanks again for picking up the reigns on this as it's both fun and challenging making it my favorite mod.

Edit: While picking up the new novel mechanics from Grondel's mod (no move & fire for 21cm artillery, heavy infantry changes, pioneer max strength, etc...adds a level of difficulty I feel SOE was a better play without them and adding them here only boxes in mod players hungry for more content to a particular mandated non-vanilla playstyle (which, to me, is counterintuitive).

I totally understand the artillery rules. SOE and PC1 do use the same unit data and rules. I have tried my best to balance the scenarios around the new values and rules. The SOE Rework will benefit by now having your AI allies (for the most part) being under your control.

Right now, hero generation is a lot more dependent on prestige. There are several scenarios in SCW where I've been unable to comfortably afford the higher cost for a hero. I'm still working on some prestige balancing for 1939 and probably will be making a trait cost change. I inquired about reducing Industry Connections prototypes to a smaller number, except it is hard coded.

[BarbarianHunter]

Looking forward to replaying SCW through 1940, etc...You certainly are more communicative than the previous management, that's for sure . I wonder if the rules regarding Artillery will be vanilla or rework by Grondel (my preference would be vanilla). I wonder if there will be a recommended hero generation % like 33% or some such, as there look to be quite a few scenarios.

Thanks again for picking up the reigns on this as it's both fun and challenging making it my favorite mod.

Edit: While picking up the new novel mechanics from Grondel's mod (no move & fire for 21cm artillery, heavy infantry changes, pioneer max strength, etc...adds a level of difficulty I feel SOE was a better play without them and adding them here only boxes in mod players hungry for more content to a particular mandated non-vanilla playstyle (which, to me, is counterintuitive).

I totally understand the artillery rules. SOE and PC1 do use the same unit data and rules. I have tried my best to balance the scenarios around the new values and rules. The SOE Rework will benefit by now having your AI allies (for the most part) being under your control.

Right now, hero generation is a lot more dependent on prestige. There are several scenarios in SCW where I've been unable to comfortably afford the higher cost for a hero. I'm still working on some prestige balancing for 1939 and probably will be making a trait cost change. I inquired about reducing Industry Connections prototypes to a smaller number, except it is hard coded.

Well, in honor of communicativeness (as well as the fact that I'll have to deal with the new unit data and rules) I'll take this opportunity to offer some feedback [sorry for long post ] as well as ask a question re: anti-tank fire.

Also, I'm no expert in the rules set changes for PC1/SOE but my artillery seems able to support AT units. Is this a bug or intended? Edit: It seems kind of broken, especially in regards to tanks w/ Artillery Support hero adjacent to AT units (see image).

I ran a SCW vanilla campaign on Generalissimus used the Aux Forces trait to run my prestige up to 55K+ (which means I could have purchased 10 tier-3 heroes). I recently started a 1939 campaign w/ the Ao-Redone mod but thought to adjust my prestige down to 10K so as not to break the game. I broke it anyway (even w/out Aux Forces trait) and have been able to buy a tier-3 hero in every scenario up to Siege of Lille (not that it wasn't still challenging to one degree or the next). I wonder if raising the cost of heroes might be appropriate?

I'll just throw this out there without much chance for implementation but IMO it'd be better to give the player the vanilla random hero generation (with a recommended setting for the % slider based on year & # of scenarios) as well as the option to buy a hero using an egregious amount of prestige (like 5K/15K/35K or more) to acquire heroes that have been elusive via RNG.

[Grondel]

Also, I'm no expert in the rules set changes for PC1/SOE but my artillery seems able to support AT units. Is this a bug or intended? Edit: It seems kind of broken, especially in regards to tanks w/ Artillery Support hero adjacent to AT units (see image).

AT-units can only be supported against soft targets. if the AT unit is switched to something else(StuG42) it can be supported
against hard targets, too. This behaviour is hardcoded into the base game and nothing we can change or mod. Any inconsistences u experience should be brought up in the bug reporting thread in this forum. nothing we can do about it.

I ran a SCW vanilla campaign on Generalissimus used the Aux Forces trait to run my prestige up to 55K+ (which means I could have purchased 10 tier-3 heroes). I recently started a 1939 campaign w/ the Ao-Redone mod but thought to adjust my prestige down to 10K so as not to break the game. I broke it anyway (even w/out Aux Forces trait) and have been able to buy a tier-3 hero in every scenario up to Siege of Lille (not that it wasn't still challenging to one degree or the next). I wonder if raising the cost of heroes might be appropriate?

Next time play with "Ruthless Trait" if u want to challenge urself. The capture mechanic in PC2 has been broken since the release in 2020 and is nothing we can fix. Sadly the dev has the tendency to dump the "balancing" part in the player instead of providing it.

I'll just throw this out there without much chance for implementation but IMO it'd be better to give the player the vanilla random hero generation (with a recommended setting for the % slider based on year & # of scenarios) as well as the option to buy a hero using an egregious amount of prestige (like 5K/15K/35K or more) to acquire heroes that have been elusive via RNG.

The RNG is exactly the reason why i developed this script. If u use the vanilla hero generater u will always have a cluster of heroes due to the way "random" is generated in PC2. U can be lucky and it´s "zero slot", making the game rediculously easy, or be unlucky and get "First Aid".
In the script i created the number of hero of a kind is capped to remove this cluster effect and provide a diverse hero count. If u generate too much prestige, try the tip i gave above.

sers,
Thomas

[BarbarianHunter]

Next time play with "Ruthless Trait" if u want to challenge urself. The capture mechanic in PC2 has been broken since the release in 2020 and is nothing we can fix. Sadly the dev has the tendency to dump the "balancing" part in the player instead of providing it.

I do use the Ruthless but only once I have acquired a proper core and hero mix. With the way you have the unit mechanics balanced it seems a tad too "feast or famine" to me. Let me clarify further: In SCW and '39 using the Ruthless trait seems almost impossible (at least to the process by which I play the game). This leads to a capture strategy which leads to enough prestige for a 5K hero every turn which leads to an OP hero core which leads to ever more self-imposed-sanctions to keep things interesting.

The RNG is exactly the reason why i developed this script. If u use the vanilla hero generater u will always have a cluster of heroes due to the way "random" is generated in PC2. U can be lucky and it´s "zero slot", making the game rediculously easy, or be unlucky and get "First Aid".
In the script i created the number of hero of a kind is capped to remove this cluster effect and provide a diverse hero count. If u generate too much prestige, try the tip i gave above.

I have exactly 0% expectations that this gets implemented, but wouldn't it be easier to stick with a quasi-vanilla hero system with a recommended hero % slider setting and do away with hero clustering via limiting the repetition/clustering (like you do for Rapidfire, Camo, NoRetaliation, etc..) while offering a way to spend extra prestige on a chance to focus on a target that the RNG deities have denied you by paying an egregious amount of prestige (5K/15K/35K or more) for a focused hero choice? This would ease the "feast or famine" I mentioned above.

With all that having been said, I'm not complaining as content is content (and free content is even better yet) . I'm playing '40 AO-Redone right now and having quite a lot of fun.

[DefiantXYX]

I ran a SCW vanilla campaign on Generalissimus used the Aux Forces trait to run my prestige up to 55K+ (

How does aux forces help to generate prestige? Should you not rather waste prestige for aux units, that get wasted all the time?

[Grondel]

I ran a SCW vanilla campaign on Generalissimus used the Aux Forces trait to run my prestige up to 55K+ (

How does aux forces help to generate prestige? Should you not rather waste prestige for aux units, that get wasted all the time?

Mass enciclement via scout car spamm.

sers,
Thomas

[DefiantXYX]

Oh indeed, good point.

[Gnosport]

A bit more to share.

One of the choices in original 1940 is to get prestige, a fighter pilot hero, or 20 prototypes. I think we all understand the logical choice that people made. The hero... In the rework of 1940, there is no illogical choice, it clearly is the hero and his name is Heinrich Bar, except...you have a choice on what type of pilot he is.



Rework on 1940 continues, this time focusing on some mid-campaign scenarios. This is from Sedan, which is being tweaked quite a bit to be a counterattack scenario. Right now, it seems the Allies are rather on the defensive, a lot. The Allies certainly tried to counterattack and dislodge the advancing Germans. I'm hoping to better show the struggle of the Battle of France.


The Battle of Sedan.

The Battle of Sedan will be more interesting scenario. The player will be prohibited from deploying anything except artillery, anti-air, anti-tank and aircraft.

The Panzer Division ground forces are also weakened and will need to be reinforced - using the player's resources.


Screenshot is dated, but the purple units are what the player's ground forces will be, outside of their own artillery, anti-air, anti-tank and aircraft.

Hope to see you soon, generals!

[88Flak]

Thank you for the continued updates. It all looks great so far. I like your thinking of giving the allies more offensive operations and hopefully challenge the German advance. I can’t wait!

[Gnosport]

Thank you for the continued updates. It all looks great so far. I like your thinking of giving the allies more offensive operations and hopefully challenge the German advance. I can’t wait!

Thanks!

I updated today's post with new information about the Battle of Sedan.

[raider45]

Hello, I recently tested the old SoE with the 1940 path. I had script errors on the way across the Netherlands and crashed after 2 scenarios! The others worked wonderfully.
Is there anything new about your version?

Seers

[Gnosport]

Hello, I recently tested the old SoE with the 1940 path. I had script errors on the way across the Netherlands and crashed after 2 scenarios! The others worked wonderfully.
Is there anything new about your version?

Seers

1940 will have a more linear progression - Denmark and Norway aren't different paths and the invasion of the Low Countries focuses primarily on Belgium and Netherlands with the player later joining in France.

I've been a bit busy with work and new academic year - along with playing other games. I'm getting work done on incorporating the new unit models into SOE.

As long as there are no issues, still planning SOE Redux/Rework for Condor Legion/1939 in September.

[Gnosport]

Condor Legion and 1939 are now available for download on Steam.

[raider45]

Great.
Congratulations. Steam, and for others?
I mean for the download.

[BarbarianHunter]

Condor Legion and 1939 are now available for download on Steam.

Looking forward to playing!

I'm playing the AO Redone mod right now & note that I always choose tier 3 heroes for 5K which tends to overpower my core after a time. I'm guessing the 2.5K cost in SOE Redux will not going to be of any help in that regard. Have you ever considered throwing in a 4th option for hero generation that would provide a random hero from all 3 tiers for some mid-ranged prestige cost (1250 or some such)?

Edit: Just throwing this out there w/out any idea of practicality: I wonder if scaling the costs relative to campaign year (higher cost for later years) and # of heroes already acquired might be an idea worthy of consideration?

[Grondel]

I wonder if scaling the costs relative to campaign year (higher cost for later years) and # of heroes already acquired might be an idea worthy of consideration?

Scalling the cost with the number of heroes already in posession is an interesting idea. i´ll think about that.

sers,
Thomas

[Gnosport]

Condor Legion and 1939 are now available for download on Steam.

Looking forward to playing!

I'm playing the AO Redone mod right now & note that I always choose tier 3 heroes for 5K which tends to overpower my core after a time. I'm guessing the 2.5K cost in SOE Redux will not going to be of any help in that regard. Have you ever considered throwing in a 4th option for hero generation that would provide a random hero from all 3 tiers for some mid-ranged prestige cost (1250 or some such)?

Edit: Just throwing this out there w/out any idea of practicality: I wonder if scaling the costs relative to campaign year (higher cost for later years) and # of heroes already acquired might be an idea worthy of consideration?

Really an interesting idea. Will see what Grondel can come up with.

Right now, heroes in Civil War have a lower cost as prestige is harder to come by. In 1939 it goes up to 5k.

[rafstaff]

Great and where others can find files for this mod? I mean owners od gog, or others platform