Charged in the flank

DaiSho · Post by **DaiSho** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:05 am

Hey all,

I had a couple of situations in my last game which was new for me.

I was charged by the cowardly scots in the flank. The bastards.

Now, it isn't the first time I've been charged in the flank, but it was the first time I'd been charged in the flank without having frontal opponents.

So, the broad question is: What happens now?

The rules state:

"A battle group that has some bases facting at 90 or 180 degrees to the ret (due to enemy contacting its former flank or rear) does not conform to enemy".

I'm assuming though, that in my manouver phase that I can 'feed more bases into an existing manner'.

How else are you supposed to 'get to face the enemy'?

Ian

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Fri May 01, 2009 2:04 am

Having been treacherously assaulted on your flank by the Scots, in manoeuvre you turn the rest of the BG to face and conform and then give them a right and proper thrashing with the magic dice of Thor.

TERRYFROMSPOKANE · Post by **TERRYFROMSPOKANE** » Fri May 01, 2009 2:08 am

Your BG would be able to REFORM to face the enemy as the first action of the Maneuver Phase, regardless of whose Maneuver Phase it was. The rule on page 70 says you don't have to, but if you do, you must "reform to face the enemy in contact" - which is what you want to do anyway. The way I read the rules, you could then also conform to the enemy within the limitations imposed by that rule.

Terry G.

DaiSho · Post by **DaiSho** » Fri May 01, 2009 2:14 am

Ahh, right - it's a reform not a conform!

Got it!

Read that bit about units not conforming and thought 'that's odd'.

And Mike, you'll be glad to know that I did give them a right royal thrashing. I think they broke the turn they charged me

Serves them right - brigands! (a bit rich - a Viking calling a Scot a brigand isn't it?

)

Ian

Polkovnik · Post by **Polkovnik** » Fri May 01, 2009 3:09 pm

But you don't have to reform, and may not want to if you have another enemy BG in front, as they would then charge you in the flank and you'd drop another level.

Am I right though in thinking that you can only feed more bases in if you reform and turn to face the attacker ?

TERRYFROMSPOKANE · Post by **TERRYFROMSPOKANE** » Fri May 01, 2009 3:47 pm

If we assume an enemy BG to the front makes Reforming to face the flanking Scots unwise, then: Page 56 indicates that since the BG was not contacted to its front, normally the BG would have turned a base or two to face the flanking Scots on impact. Then I think the "Feeding Bases" rule on page 72 would allow non contributing bases to be fed in to match an active (Scott) player's overlap, if any.

Terry G.

DaiSho · Post by **DaiSho** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:12 pm

TERRYFROMSPOKANE wrote:If we assume an enemy BG to the front makes Reforming to face the flanking Scots unwise, then: Page 56 indicates that since the BG was not contacted to its front, normally the BG would have turned a base or two to face the flanking Scots on impact. Then I think the "Feeding Bases" rule on page 72 would allow non contributing bases to be fed in to match an active (Scott) player's overlap, if any.

Terry G.

Yes, that's how we got around it. Until you pointed out the 'reform' I just 'fed troops in'. Then again, you have to be sympathetic to my Vikings. They haven't heard of the reformation - it's only 970AD where they are from

Ian

Scottbot · Post by **Scottbot** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:05 pm

Had this come up in a game, and my opponent and I were unsure on what to do. This thread thankfully answered some of our questions, but some still linger.

Assume the following:

XBAAA
XBAAA

X=enemy stands attacking on the flank
B=friendly stands turned 90 degrees to face flankers
A=friendly stands facing up to the top of the screen
Note: there is no enemy units in contact to the front (top) of Unit A

Now, it is my (Unit A) maneuver phase and I want to feed stands into the flank fight. Can I take stands from the right side of Unit A and feed them in such that they look like this:

B
XBAA
XBAA
B

(B's are supposed to be in a straight line, with the top most and bottom most B's being in overlap, not on the flanks of the X's...can't get it to do that in the message editor)

Looks weird, but possibly legal. Assuming 'yes I can', lets now assume Unit X flees from steady troop (they are horse, and I have rallied my disorder from being charged in the flank), and I need to reform my unit to regular dimensions. Which way are they to face? to the Left or Up? Is it by whichever direction has the greater number of stands facing it? My choice?

Also, could 'feeding in' stands also just mean turning stands to face the enemy? So this:

XBBAA
XBBAA

Thanks,

Scott K

sagji · Post by **sagji** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:04 am

No and No.

The first is wrong as you have expanded on two sides.

The second is wrong as you haven't expanded, nor contracted, and the bases you moved were contributing to the melee.

Assuming it is X's bound both are wrong as you aren't expanding to match and existing overlap.

If it is X's bound you may reform - but it doesn't give you any advantage as you will still count the left As as a second rank as there is no restriction on facing. You can't expand as X didn't expand and there is no overlap to match.

IF it is your bound then you must first conform - although you move zero distance this includes a required reform. You may then expand by one file on one side.

Scottbot · Post by **Scottbot** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:39 pm

ah, I see. So the thing I was missing (other than you can only expand on one side) is that bases in the second rank from a fight contribute even if they have a different facing than the first rank. In this case, the left side of the unit rather than the typical front of the unit.

Thanks Sagi

-Scott