I think the conforming rules are useful as they eliminate some geometry issues. Notably there isn't too much worry about how exactly the charge worked in most cases, as after impact everyone is just lining up.
Without this conforming there might be more angst about the movement of the actual charge in many cases as it would have implications for flank attacks, etc.
Conforming?
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But conforming does have significant effect on the following melee. This is why there is so much smoke over it. It can determine whether a BG is disordered or not and can potentially create or eliminate overlaps. This is why a concise explanation of the meaning of "Minimum necessary" is needed. I believe that the diagrams make the meaning clear, but others wish to believe that the diagrams should not be read "literally" because the wording in them does not exactly match the main body of the rules. Both arguments cannot be right.
Indeed. The diagrams are part of the rules. Absence of words is often covered by them in fact ...... see page 25 for a clear example where the words do not cover the two methods of recording DISR effects at all and it is entirely in the diagram.
They are a combination and need to be treated as such. Iindeed on conforming we can see where there is a little confusion between the words, a diag in the conform section, and a diag later that is supposed to be about what happens when you can't conform but seems to be dealing with conforms by accidents .... woopsie!
Cant say it has affected me hugely in over 2 years of playing, but well worth tidying up now we have it in our sights thank you.
Si
They are a combination and need to be treated as such. Iindeed on conforming we can see where there is a little confusion between the words, a diag in the conform section, and a diag later that is supposed to be about what happens when you can't conform but seems to be dealing with conforms by accidents .... woopsie!
Cant say it has affected me hugely in over 2 years of playing, but well worth tidying up now we have it in our sights thank you.
Si
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sagji
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Not a good example - the words do mention both methods, and refer the reader to the diagram - and I don't think the diagram is intended to be definitive but merely to give examples - are those the only style of markers permitted or can I use a rectangular markers that names the state, or different shapes of marker for state.shall wrote:Indeed. The diagrams are part of the rules. Absence of words is often covered by them in fact ...... see page 25 for a clear example where the words do not cover the two methods of recording DISR effects at all and it is entirely in the diagram.
They are a combination and need to be treated as such. Iindeed on conforming we can see where there is a little confusion between the words, a diag in the conform section, and a diag later that is supposed to be about what happens when you can't conform but seems to be dealing with conforms by accidents .... woopsie!
Cant say it has affected me hugely in over 2 years of playing, but well worth tidying up now we have it in our sights thank you.
Si
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sagji
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So the diagam lists the only permitted ways of showing state?shall wrote:Perfectly good example of the rule words being meaningless without the diagram, which is the only point I am making.
Please explain to me how you do either of these without the diagram.
Si
The only rules the diagram can add are on how bases are arranged to show state, and on how markers can be used.