1945 Historical, saving the ladies.

[RVallant]

Hopefully vague enough title.

Anyone got to the 'save Ida' elite objective mission in Vienna?

It's a bit late, so I'm leaving it until another day, but from what I can see, damn, this is going to be a tough cookie.

I tried a grenade infantry in town backed with a nebelwerfer and even with vigilant, no suppression, aggressive counter etc, both went down in one go. I'm guessing a super-heavy Lowe Tank might be necessary, next to something else?

What is Ida in? The supply dump or the abandoned tank? It isn't particularly clear, I'm guessing it's the tank (in a forest, for gods sake it'll be one shot by any infantry I bet.)

Looks like a tricky puzzle for sure. I'm thinking convert all jet fighters to the Dornier fighters so we can use them to block air assaults on that area, as the nearest airfield is a dirt airfield. Unfortunately, too many fighters in the air to deploy any bombers, I'd wager?

Maybe it is critical to punch south pretty hard with the initial infantry so they can snatch the airfield there, halving the air attacks for the next turn, but then there's some painful 30+ tanks in the area for some reason.

How did you guys tackle it?

[VirgilInTheSKY]

The objective is done when you recapture the Abandoned HQ, none of those aux units there matter. Put the best heavy tank with Hofmann on it to the deploy hex there, he has No Supply to help the unit keep fighting inside the encirclement, but you have to get your main body there as quickly as possible if you want to save the unit, or you'd better just not use that hex and counterattack with your main body.

[RVallant]

n/a

[RVallant]

Pretty grim ending.

(I need to learn to read lol.)

[Kerensky]

I tried real hard not to chime in on this thread, to avoid any and all spoilers.

But yea... your reward for this final Elite Objective is only to learn a terrible truth. Is this unnecessarily dark for a game? Maybe, but I felt it was needed to properly explain the motivation of some Germans who continued to fight when it seemed obvious the war was hopelessly lost for them.

Hard hitting history has really helped to color the Historical Campaign, and dramatically set it apart from the Ahistorical Path of 1944 and especially 1945.

[RVallant]

I tried real hard not to chime in on this thread, to avoid any and all spoilers.

But yea... your reward for this final Elite Objective is only to learn a terrible truth. Is this unnecessarily dark for a game? Maybe, but I felt it was needed to properly explain the motivation of some Germans who continued to fight when it seemed obvious the war was hopelessly lost for them.

Hard hitting history has really helped to color the Historical Campaign, and dramatically set it apart from the Ahistorical Path of 1944 and especially 1945.

I think it's fine, it needs to be told.

I went from there to read up about that sort of thing shortly after, and I was pretty stunned at just how indiscriminate the raping and pillaging was from the Soviet side. I knew there was mistreatment, of course, but the scale of it was... wow. Not just against the Germans, but against the Polish, against liberated people, against the Japanese as well. That's staggering.

If I have one query though, slightly unrelated; End in Berlin, no commanders at all? I get it is showcasing us going alone, but wasn't there a minor command structure still in place then? I'm sure someone was directed to run the city defence goals of some sort? Sad times if you go that route, no one stays with you at all.

[DefiantXYX]

But yea... your reward for this final Elite Objective is only to learn a terrible truth. Is this unnecessarily dark for a game? Maybe, but I felt it was needed to properly explain the motivation of some Germans who continued to fight when it seemed obvious the war was hopelessly lost for them.

Well, the game is not really consistent in that way. Dont get me wrong, there are a few story moments that are really great. Wagner coming back from his injuries, talking about that there is something wrong...Capitana talking about the war in germany...finding gerland grave in stalingrad, wagner and galland joking around.But most of the time the story is really
whitewhased, superficial. I would prefer more depth in any DLC, especially about the dark side of the war. So especially in the 1945 DLC it is a WTF moment, feels even inappropriate for me since it feels like in all the years of war there have never been anything like that which is just true.

So if there will ever be a revision of the DLCs I would like to have this stuff all the time, or keep it rather superficial all the time.

I went from there to read up about that sort of thing shortly after, and I was pretty stunned at just how indiscriminate the raping and pillaging was from the Soviet side. I knew there was mistreatment, of course, but the scale of it was... wow. Not just against the Germans, but against the Polish, against liberated people, against the Japanese as well. That's staggering.

This is war!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUE8PIF9as

If I have one query though, slightly unrelated; End in Berlin, no commanders at all? I get it is showcasing us going alone, but wasn't there a minor command structure still in place then? I'm sure someone was directed to run the city defence goals of some sort? Sad times if you go that route, no one stays with you at all.

Like I said in my review topic it makes no sense that wagner leaves you alone. If so you should have an option aswell. Play the last scenario and die for nothing or you can skip it and try to run away.
And how does my army get in this circle, where are my planes and in all the years of war my core force is just a little part of one army group and finally there is nothing left than my core and some useless volksturm? It just doesnt feel right, I prefer the battles in any other panzergeneral game. Cant say how often I played Berlin West, Berlin East and Berlin in Panzergeneral 1. Great maps!

[Tassadar]

After succeeding on this objective once and failing it the other run, I can say that it's all about the pace and concentration of forces. Western flank can be held by a token force, there is not point devoting too much to it. Also, southern approach seems more viable than the northern one, so I would focus my efforts on approaching from that direction. Other than that, the usual rues apply - concentrated fire, finishing off units so they cannot retreat an heal plus maximizing the amount of destroyed vehicles per turn. I imagine any Camouflage AT guns will quicken the process nicely.