Reference Book advice

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:54 pm

Been looking into building the Anglo-Welsh army that invaded Scotland in 1297-8 for Middle Plantaganet English (Oath of Fealty) under Edward I.

Can anyone suggest a good reference book I can refer to for armour, dress, colours or weaponry - preferably with a few illustrations - for a decent guide please?

Jer

thefrenchjester · Post by **thefrenchjester** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:53 pm

Hi ,

perhaps you could have a try with the historical movie " Braveheart " , accurate in all the things you could want for your research ( even exemples of tatoos for your Irish foot , simply the the best ever

sorry , really sorry , I get out

thefrenchjester " also Monthy Python fan sometimes "

thefrenchjester · Post by **thefrenchjester** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:02 pm

more seriously

have a try with the Osprey book English Medieval Knights 1200AD-1300AD in the Warrior collection and the the Scottish and Welsh Wars 1250AD-1400AD in the Men at Arms Series a first step and more sources indicated inside ;

have a good reading

Regards

thefrenchjester " Angus Mc Bride fan for Ever "

thefrenchjester · Post by **thefrenchjester** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:14 pm

I have found one more after some research : the Campaign book on Stirling Bridge and Falkirk 1297-1298AD ;

Regards

thefrenchjester " Osprey books all around him "

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:08 pm

I have Sir Charles Oman's 'The Art of War in the Middle Ages' which is useful for the tactics & strategy for defeating the Welsh & Scots, & the names of the Commanders of each battle - albeit at Stirling Bridge, the Commander who should have been strung up as a example of incompetency

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but sadly it lacks detail in armour, specific weaponry or heraldry

The Battle of Stirling Bridge & Falkirk by Pete Armstrong seems promising, is it accurate & give much detail?

The Scottish & Welsh Wars by Dick Pothero doesn't seem to have had a very positive response, is that warranted?

Do the 'English Medieval Knights 1200-1300 cover the Foot much?
Edward seems to have valued the Marcher Welshry almost above everything bar the Knights & Cavalry, certainly the English Foot appear to be negligeable in numbers. So detail on the Infantry is a must

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:06 am

Th roll of arms for painting your Knight:
http://perso.numericable.fr/briantimms1 ... kirkH.html

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:50 am

Superb!
Cheers muchly for that olivier, that's peachy!

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:32 pm

Ian Heaths "Armies of Fedual Europe" is superb - it has loads of heraldry and all armour, dress, colours and weaponry of the period.

There is a brief account of the two battles you mention, but no in-depth campaign type information.

It is however, expensive and difficult to get a hold off...

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:03 pm

I have Ian's book on The Middle Ages Vol. 1 , which is indeed the dogswotsitsnames - was chiefly my guide for doing Low Countries & SantaHermanthingummybob armies.
The Expensive I take for granted, his books tend to the top table so tend to cost more sadly. Might be gettable on Amazon, I'll have a gander in a bit, cheers for the advice

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:23 pm

Found a copy on Amazon, 25 quid - so quite a bargain

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:54 pm

Is it version 1 or version 2?

Version 2 is normally quite a bit more expensive...

Don't know what the differences are either.

whitehorses · Post by **whitehorses** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:39 am

Arrived this morning;

I'd guess at Vol. 1 since the Print date is 1977 - a good omen, perhaps

You're not wrong about the later Vol. being more expensive - nearly 60 quid!!!

I think I'll stick with the early version *s*

Am also considering 'The Welsh Wars of Edward I' by HE Morris, which Ian Heath refers to in glowing terms, & appears to cover everything in excellent detail, & the preview on amazon looks a cracking read too! Does anyone else have this book?