Updated version

1 Inspired commander
1 Troop commander
1 Troop commander
4 Xystophoi
4 Xystophoi
4 Light cavalry
12 Macedonain phalangite
12 Macedonain phalangite
6 MF Thorakitai
6 MF Thorakitai
6 javelinmen
6 Archers
8 Cretan archers
2 Elephants
2 Elephants

What do you think of this? It is mainly meant to play against antique armies. 1 Inspired commander 1 Troop commander 1 Troop commander 4 Xystophoi 4 Xystophoi 4 Light cavalry 12 Macedonain phalangite 12 Macedonain phalangite 4 Romanised infantry 4 Romanised infantry 4 Romanised infantry 6 Archers 6 ...

Mirliton has a lot of beautiful figs

This list feels a lot more stable.... 1 Inspired commander 2 Troop commander 4 Brother knights 4 Brother knights 4 Brother knights 4 Crusader knights 8 Subject foot spearmen (Average) 4 Turcopolen (LH) 4 Turcopolen (LH) 4 Turcopolen (LH) 6 Subject foot archers (Average) 4 Mounted crossbowmen 4 Vassa...

I do actually get +3 pbi, but i see your point.

Another option is to drop 2 bases of crossbowmen, make the 4 remaining average instead and go for field commander + 2 troop commanders, an idea which i actually think i fancy.

Ok version 2.0: How many knights can i get in 800 pts?

1x inspired commander
1x troop commander
3x4 brother knights
2x4 crusader knights
3x4 LH turcopoles
6 subject archers (poor)
4 mounted crossbowmen
6 town militia crossbowmen (poor)
4 unprotected handgunners

=800 pts

Better?

Not sure what else to do with the list since it is fairly dull... what do you think of this? Inspired commander 80 pts Troop commander 35 pts 2 x 4 brother knights 2 x104 pts 2 x 4 crusader superior knights 2 x 92 pts 3 x 4 LH Turcopole 3 x 28 pts 6 order spearmen 42 pts 6 order crossbowmen 42 pts 6...