Panzer Corps 2 - Axis Operations DLCs announced

[Wowlegend]

We all appreciate your work. Seriously though, nobody who plays WWII games wants to fight in spain. Maybe one scenario like Panzer General 2 type thing but not a campaign. Who wants to fight with crap geared spanish nationalists. As far as the next release, never was a shot fired when the germans went into checkosavakia. So I can't imagine what kind of campaign that could be... People who buy this game want in depth campaigns from the 1939 Poland invasion to 1945. With maybe some alternate endings. So save us all a lot of disappointment and waiting for what we all really want. No disrespect, but seriously... why not make a campaign about the beer hall putch ffs... look forward to the real game if you ever bring that stuff out. Thanks

[adiekmann]

We all appreciate your work. Seriously though, nobody who plays WWII games wants to fight in spain. Maybe one scenario like Panzer General 2 type thing but not a campaign. Who wants to fight with crap geared spanish nationalists. As far as the next release, never was a shot fired when the germans went into checkosavakia. So I can't imagine what kind of campaign that could be... People who buy this game want in depth campaigns from the 1939 Poland invasion to 1945. With maybe some alternate endings. So save us all a lot of disappointment and waiting for what we all really want. No disrespect, but seriously... why not make a campaign about the beer hall putch ffs... look forward to the real game if you ever bring that stuff out. Thanks

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and not alone, but I disagree to some degree. Many want something new if you are a veteran of PG, PG2, PC1, etc. I welcomed this SCW. I DO eagerly await the more traditional/historical stuff, and that will come starting with AO '39. It remains to be seen what the promised "new" stuff will be in upcoming DLCs.

As far as Czechoslovakia, well, it's not going to be an entire campaign. I am guessing one or two scenarios at most. I believe I remember the reoccupation of the Rhine being a starting scenario too, but I might be wrong. You're right, there wasn't a shot fried, but these can be "fictional" scenarios where it can be easily written as a "what if" case where there was some resistance, even if half-hearted. If people are open to fictional what if's during/after the historical battles, why not throw a couple similar skirmishes before Poland? I think that's interesting. And again, most of AO'39 WILL be Poland so don't worry. Germany did learn many important lessons and gained valuable experience, especially in the air, that carried over into WW2 proper. Well, you now need not start Poland with all of your forces beginning at 0 experience! And that is historically true even if the scale is not.

[adiekmann]

looking forward to the next (1939) DLC! ETA is Aug 27 or thereabouts right? Any previews/something for me to click on? Thanks in advance

So far, no. I too am biting at the bit in anticipation. I have lots of questions that I'd love to know NOW such as a scenario list and how many of your core will you be able to begin using. But if the roll out for SCW is any indication, I don't think we'll get any such info until about a week before the FM owners get their early access which is August 20th. So, perhaps some time late next week we'll begin seeing some dev diaries or whatnot.

[George_Parr]

We all appreciate your work. Seriously though, nobody who plays WWII games wants to fight in spain. Maybe one scenario like Panzer General 2 type thing but not a campaign. Who wants to fight with crap geared spanish nationalists. As far as the next release, never was a shot fired when the germans went into checkosavakia. So I can't imagine what kind of campaign that could be... People who buy this game want in depth campaigns from the 1939 Poland invasion to 1945. With maybe some alternate endings. So save us all a lot of disappointment and waiting for what we all really want. No disrespect, but seriously... why not make a campaign about the beer hall putch ffs... look forward to the real game if you ever bring that stuff out. Thanks

I'm certain the devs just love to listen to people who get all prissy and who declare what "everyone" thinks...
Useful advice: maybe don't pretend that your opinion is anything more than just that: your opinion. It is neither a fact nor do you speak for everyone. And acting this way isn't exactly the most successful approach to getting developers to change their mind either.

There are more than enough fans of WW2 games who have no issue or actually love to play something like this current Spanish DLC. There are also people who want to see different stuff than the usual missions you get in a WW2 game, so you have to take those into account as well. This DLC is something different that you don't see all too often in WW2 games, which is exactly why you can spend a DLC on it. It's not like this was the main campaign of the main game or anything like that. And just because the German takeover of Czechia was done without firing a shot, doesn't mean that this was a foregone conclusion, or that there aren't some ways in which such a mission could still work. If PC could include fictional outcomes like preventing the British from fleeing at Dunkirk, a successful Sealion, wargames between Germans and Soviets, Germany besting the Soviets and even invading America, as well as the Afrika Korps reaching India, then having some sort of mission involving the Czechs really isn't too far-fetched, now is it?

There's a mod for PC in which you play the Hungarian takeover of northern Transylvania from the Romanians, and it's basically without much fighting either. It might not have been the most eventful mission, but it wasn't exactly boring either. Having one measily mission like that is hardly going to decide whether a whole DLC will be worth it or not. Especially since you have no idea what said move into Czechoslovakia actually contains.

[Retributarr]

No disrespect [Ret:Really???] , but seriously [Ret:???]… why not make a campaign about the beer hall putch ffs... look forward to the real game if you ever bring that stuff out. Thanks [Ret:Fiened Thanks???]

I'm certain the devs just love to listen to people who get all prissy and who declare what "everyone" thinks...
Useful advice: maybe don't pretend that your opinion is anything more than just that: your opinion. It is neither a fact nor do you speak for everyone.

Ret: "George_Parr": Your'e "Post"... as well as the previous "Post"... are a resounding 'Thunderclap-of-Hell!!!". So!!!... now a Tremendous accolades shout-out to the 'Both-of You'!!!... you both conducted yourselves in a very controlled non-antagonizing civil-manner... a great deal of 'Self-Contol' has just been exibitied here!. Fantastic Postings Guy's!!!.

Thank-You for setting the 'Record' straight!!!.

[Rhaeg]

As far as Czechoslovakia, well, it's not going to be an entire campaign. I am guessing one or two scenarios at most. I believe I remember the reoccupation of the Rhine being a starting scenario too, but I might be wrong. You're right, there wasn't a shot fried, but these can be "fictional" scenarios where it can be easily written as a "what if" case where there was some resistance, even if half-hearted. If people are open to fictional what if's during/after the historical battles, why not throw a couple similar skirmishes before Poland? I think that's interesting. And again, most of AO'39 WILL be Poland so don't worry. Germany did learn many important lessons and gained valuable experience, especially in the air, that carried over into WW2 proper. Well, you now need not start Poland with all of your forces beginning at 0 experience! And that is historically true even if the scale is not.

Are you certain most of it will be Poland? I've only seen Czechoslovakia and what I assume to be the French Saar offensive mentioned and I was wondering if this DLC will cover all of the 1939 conflicts. If it includes as many scenarios as SCW, I guess it would make sense. Really curious about what they'll do with Czechoslovakia, I'm assuming it has to be a bit of a fantasy scenario. I could also imagine the player having to capture large amounts of Czech tanks (the future Panzer 35 and 38(t)s ) as a mission objective. I'm all for exploring lesser known conflicts, even if they have to "reinvent history" a bit to do so.

And some more (late) general questions about Axis Operations for the devs (if they're still reading this ol' thread )...

Will you in future releases consider the player leading the forces of European Axis countries other than Germany (if not for an entire DLC than maybe for a few scenarios)? For this, the player would create a new commander and core force with a seperate pool of prestige. I think this would create the opportunity for lots of interesting scenarios that have not been shown (a lot) before: Italy in 1940 vs. Britain in Libiya before the Afrika Korps arrives on the scene, Italian naval operations in the Mediterranean, Italy vs Britain in Ethiopia, Romania vs. Soviet Union in various stages of the war, maybe Finland vs Soviets (done already in Order of Battle for the Winter War) and who knows what else. In some scenarios you could eventually control 2 different core forces, for instance in Africa once Germany enters that theater. It might also offer some interesting new options for Stalingrad in Axis Operations: you defend the flank of the German 6th army with your inferior Romanian force and need to decide how much of your German core you will use in support: units that you deploy to reinforce your Romanians will not be available for the capture of Stalingrad itself. If possible to implement, I think this would offer some very interesting choices for the player to make.

Even if you will not consider other countries taking central stage in Axis Operations DLC, I still think the idea of having at least separate cores and prestige pools should be considered for some scenarios. In Order of Battle, it at least made me use Italians a lot more in Africa... I remember from the PC1 Africa expansion that I only kept some Bersaglieri: the rest was simply just a waste of my command points. Also, I didn't like the current African scenarios in PC2 a lot tbh: the German core force felt too large and powerful*** from the start for the African theater and the few Italian auxiliaries might just as well not have been there. I really hope Axis Operations will revisit Africa and give the Italians a bigger role.

*** I think it would be interesting if you were forced to split your core somewhere in 1941: one part goes to Africa, the other to Eastern Europe. At current pace after SCW you could easily have enough units by then to be able to do this.

[Retributarr]

Germany did learn many important lessons and gained valuable experience, especially in the air, that carried over into WW2 proper.

[Ret:I myself would like to see how the 'Lessons' were developed... where they originated... that's why these lesser-stellar conflicts should have more importance and meaning.]

Are you certain most of it will be Poland? I've only seen Czechoslovakia and what I assume to be the French Saar offensive mentioned and I was wondering if this DLC will cover all of the 1939 conflicts. [Ret: "Importanto"... to give these histories and near possibilities their 'Just-Due'.] If it includes as many scenarios as SCW, I guess it would make sense. Really curious about what they'll do with Czechoslovakia, I'm assuming it has to be a bit of a fantasy scenario. I could also imagine the player having to capture large amounts of Czech tanks (the future Panzer 35 and 38(t)s ) as a mission objective. [Ret: As well as the "Czech-Tank-Factories"... that produced these Tanks as well as other future armored vehicle models that were extensively used... such as 'Tank-Destroyers'...etc!. ] I'm all for exploring lesser known conflicts, even if they have to "reinvent history" a bit to do so.
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quote=Rhaeg post:
And some more (late) general questions about Axis Operations for the devs (if they're still reading this ol' thread )...

Will you in future releases consider the player leading the forces of European Axis countries other than Germany (if not for an entire DLC than maybe for a few scenarios)? [Ret: Ist!... Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

Even if you will not consider other countries taking central stage in Axis Operations DLC, I still think the idea of having at least separate cores and prestige pools should be considered for some scenarios. [Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

I really hope Axis Operations will revisit Africa and give the Italians a bigger role.
[Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

*** I think it would be interesting if you were forced to split your core somewhere in 1941: one part goes to Africa, the other to Eastern Europe. At current pace after SCW you could easily have enough units by then to be able to do this.[Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

Major Eruption of Ideas Here!!!. I like them all!!!... keep on posting more of these ingenious concepts... to make this Game as 'Immersive' as possible!.

[adiekmann]

Germany did learn many important lessons and gained valuable experience, especially in the air, that carried over into WW2 proper.

[Ret:I myself would like to see how the 'Lessons' were developed... where they originated... that's why these lesser-stellar conflicts should have more importance and meaning.]

Are you certain most of it will be Poland? I've only seen Czechoslovakia and what I assume to be the French Saar offensive mentioned and I was wondering if this DLC will cover all of the 1939 conflicts. [Ret: "Importanto"... to give these histories and near possibilities their 'Just-Due'.] If it includes as many scenarios as SCW, I guess it would make sense. Really curious about what they'll do with Czechoslovakia, I'm assuming it has to be a bit of a fantasy scenario. I could also imagine the player having to capture large amounts of Czech tanks (the future Panzer 35 and 38(t)s ) as a mission objective. [Ret: As well as the "Czech-Tank-Factories"... that produced these Tanks as well as other future armored vehicle models that were extensively used... such as 'Tank-Destroyers'...etc!. ] I'm all for exploring lesser known conflicts, even if they have to "reinvent history" a bit to do so.
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quote=Rhaeg post:
And some more (late) general questions about Axis Operations for the devs (if they're still reading this ol' thread )...

Will you in future releases consider the player leading the forces of European Axis countries other than Germany (if not for an entire DLC than maybe for a few scenarios)? [Ret: Ist!... Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

Even if you will not consider other countries taking central stage in Axis Operations DLC, I still think the idea of having at least separate cores and prestige pools should be considered for some scenarios. [Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

I really hope Axis Operations will revisit Africa and give the Italians a bigger role.
[Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

*** I think it would be interesting if you were forced to split your core somewhere in 1941: one part goes to Africa, the other to Eastern Europe. At current pace after SCW you could easily have enough units by then to be able to do this.[Ret: Ist!.. Goot!!!...Goot!!!]

Major Eruption of Ideas Here!!!. I like them all!!!... keep on posting more of these ingenious concepts... to make this Game as 'Immersive' as possible!.

The first thing they learned, or developed, through their experience in Spain that comes to mind are tactics and formations for aircraft. The Germans were way ahead of the rest of the world when it came to this and it wasn't long before all other nations (or at least the Western powers) copied it. This isn't a tactical game to that degree where you are flying your aircraft in a formation, so it's "value" lies simply in the experience gained on your units when you begin the next DLC. Another lesson learned that the Germans came away with was the greater importance of speed over maneuverability for fighter aircraft.

A Campaign where you choose to split your core and fight both N. Africa and Russia (or other theaters) is ingenious and something that I've pondered too. Like parallel story lines in a novel, where chapters alternate between the present and past events, I think it would be awesome to be forced to divide you core force between two different theaters of operation. It would also serve the purpose of keeping your core to a manageable size rather than fielding a huge army on a gigantic map or forcing you to put units into "storage" (reserve). A later dedicated campaign could still be made that would go into greater detail for those battles, or just make the AO '41 and onward each larger! For example, you could have a scenario where you have to deal with partisans well behind your lines and if you fail, it affects your supply in the next scenario on the 'front lines.' With enough creativity, all manner of things are possible!

[adiekmann]

As far as Czechoslovakia, well, it's not going to be an entire campaign. I am guessing one or two scenarios at most. I believe I remember the reoccupation of the Rhine being a starting scenario too, but I might be wrong. You're right, there wasn't a shot fried, but these can be "fictional" scenarios where it can be easily written as a "what if" case where there was some resistance, even if half-hearted. If people are open to fictional what if's during/after the historical battles, why not throw a couple similar skirmishes before Poland? I think that's interesting. And again, most of AO'39 WILL be Poland so don't worry. Germany did learn many important lessons and gained valuable experience, especially in the air, that carried over into WW2 proper. Well, you now need not start Poland with all of your forces beginning at 0 experience! And that is historically true even if the scale is not.

Are you certain most of it will be Poland? I've only seen Czechoslovakia and what I assume to be the French Saar offensive mentioned and I was wondering if this DLC will cover all of the 1939 conflicts. If it includes as many scenarios as SCW, I guess it would make sense. Really curious about what they'll do with Czechoslovakia, I'm assuming it has to be a bit of a fantasy scenario. I could also imagine the player having to capture large amounts of Czech tanks (the future Panzer 35 and 38(t)s ) as a mission objective. I'm all for exploring lesser known conflicts, even if they have to "reinvent history" a bit to do so.

And some more (late) general questions about Axis Operations for the devs (if they're still reading this ol' thread )...

Will you in future releases consider the player leading the forces of European Axis countries other than Germany (if not for an entire DLC than maybe for a few scenarios)? For this, the player would create a new commander and core force with a seperate pool of prestige. I think this would create the opportunity for lots of interesting scenarios that have not been shown (a lot) before: Italy in 1940 vs. Britain in Libiya before the Afrika Korps arrives on the scene, Italian naval operations in the Mediterranean, Italy vs Britain in Ethiopia, Romania vs. Soviet Union in various stages of the war, maybe Finland vs Soviets (done already in Order of Battle for the Winter War) and who knows what else. In some scenarios you could eventually control 2 different core forces, for instance in Africa once Germany enters that theater. It might also offer some interesting new options for Stalingrad in Axis Operations: you defend the flank of the German 6th army with your inferior Romanian force and need to decide how much of your German core you will use in support: units that you deploy to reinforce your Romanians will not be available for the capture of Stalingrad itself. If possible to implement, I think this would offer some very interesting choices for the player to make.

Even if you will not consider other countries taking central stage in Axis Operations DLC, I still think the idea of having at least separate cores and prestige pools should be considered for some scenarios. In Order of Battle, it at least made me use Italians a lot more in Africa... I remember from the PC1 Africa expansion that I only kept some Bersaglieri: the rest was simply just a waste of my command points. Also, I didn't like the current African scenarios in PC2 a lot tbh: the German core force felt too large and powerful*** from the start for the African theater and the few Italian auxiliaries might just as well not have been there. I really hope Axis Operations will revisit Africa and give the Italians a bigger role.

*** I think it would be interesting if you were forced to split your core somewhere in 1941: one part goes to Africa, the other to Eastern Europe. At current pace after SCW you could easily have enough units by then to be able to do this.

Yes, because (somewhere) they already said so. My best guess is that it will begin with the takeover of the rest of Czechoslovakia (those parts that weren't already occupied in late 1938 (the Sudetenland) which occurred in the spring of '39. Or perhaps a fictional narrative of Benes rejecting the Munich Agreement and the policy of appeasement by the British and French and determined to defend their boarders regardless. However, I lean towards the former possibility as all the Czech defenses were located in the "Sudetenland" and by given it up it made them rather weak in resisting a further German takeover without the promise of foreign help (like Poland got). Plus that would put it in Nov. '38, not 1939.

How the Saarland scenario fits into the narrative will work, I'm far less certain about. If you spy the screenshot that Kerensky included in his "AO tips" post, you see its date is September 9 and you have 54 core limit. So the invasion of Poland began on the 1st, so what gives? You start the campaign on the "Sitzkrieg" front and later get transferred to Poland? Or you pull some of your forces back to the French frontier after beginning the attack on Poland? This I don't know. I don't know if there will be only one scenario dedicated to this area.
In PC1, invasions of Norway was put into GC 1939 even though all of those operations occurred well into 1940. Will they also be included in AO'39, or more properly be included in AO'40? It is safe to say that this time (vs. PC1) the occupation of Denmark will be included either way, however.

They are currently testing AO'39 and are most certainly restricted from commenting so don't hold your breath for anyone "in the know" to comment on any of these posts any time soon.

[Kerensky]

Original Grand Campaign put Norway into 1939, even though it takes place in 1940.

We quickly realized this time that there is so much stuffed into 1939... we had to push Norway out of DLC 1939. Germany going through Denmark is the history precursor to them going to Norway... so it's kind of a cliffhanger ending in a sense? Is a cliffhanger about Norway a fjordhanger?

[Retributarr]

It is safe to say that this time (vs. PC1) the occupation of Denmark will be included either way, however.

I believe that this particular operation took the 'Germans' only 6-hours to complete!.

[adiekmann]

It is safe to say that this time (vs. PC1) the occupation of Denmark will be included either way, however.

I believe that this particular operation took the 'Germans' only 6-hours to complete!.

Yeah, they faced far less resistance than they expected. Like a whole company of Fallschirmjäger landed near a fort and only to find it empty!

The mainland invasion did face some resistance (namely a AT gun), but there have been urban gang fights that involved more personnel!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_in ... ark_(1940)

(Retributarr, I lack your skill in embedding photos and text A simple link will have to do.)

[Retributarr]

"adiekmann"... here is a summary of the "Danish-Operation":

German invasion of Denmark (1940)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_in ... %281940%29

Part of Operation Weserübung of World War II


The German invasion of Denmark (Operation Weserübung)...was the German attack on Denmark on 9 April 1940, during the Second World War.


Clockwise from top left:
German forces advancing near Bagn in Valdres ·
King Haakon VII of Norway and his son Crown Prince Olav during a German air raid on Molde ·
German bombing of the Norwegian coastal fortress Oscarsborg ·
German Gebirgsjäger troops near Narvik ·
Norwegian artillery in action near Narvik

Denmark's strategic importance for Germany was limited. The invasion's primary purpose was to use Denmark as a staging ground for operations against Norway, to secure supply lines to the forces about to be deployed there.

Denmark's military forces were inferior in numbers and equipment, and after a short battle were forced to surrender. After fewer than two hours of struggle, the Danish Prime Minister Thorvald Stauning
...stopped the opposition to the German attack, for fear that the Germans would bomb Copenhagen, as they had done with Warsaw during the invasion of Poland in September 1939. Due to communication difficulties, some Danish forces continued to fight, but after a further two hours, all opposition had stopped.

Lasting approximately four hours, the German ground campaign against Denmark was one of the shortest military operations of the Second World War.

Background
The attack on Denmark was part of Operation Weserübung Süd, Germany's plan for the invasion of Norway. Its main purpose was to secure the iron ore that shipped from Narvik. To capture Norway, the Germans had to control the port outside Aalborg in northern Jutland.[9] The Kriegsmarine high command approved of occupying Denmark to extend the German sea-defence network northward, making it harder for British ships to outflank it from the north when attacking ships in the Atlantic.[10] Norway's fjords also provided excellent bases for German submarines in the North Atlantic.

German plan of attack
The German High Command planned a combined assault on Denmark to overrun the country as swiftly as possible. It included an airborne assault on the Aalborg airfields, a surprise landing of infantry from naval auxiliaries at Copenhagen, and a simultaneous ground assault across the Jutland peninsula.[11] On 4 April, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, ... chief of the Abwehr and involved in the German resistance to Nazism, warned the Danes of an imminent invasion.

Skirmishes [In detail at WebPage:]
***Fighting in Jutland
***Lundtoftbjerg
***Bjergskov
***Bredevad
A German Leichter Panzerspähwagen knocked out in Bredevad
***Rabsted
***Aabenraa
***Haderslev
More at WebPage...

[toyarmo]

They finally arrive, it had been late

[NeyLutzow]

I know its very soon to ask for it but, any ETA for the 1941 dlc

[Snake97644]

I know its very soon to ask for it but, any ETA for the 1941 dlc

Someone had to be the first to ask SCW and AO39 had only a one month gap, but I don't think we'll ever get that lucky again

[NeyLutzow]

I know its very soon to ask for it but, any ETA for the 1941 dlc

Someone had to be the first to ask SCW and AO39 had only a one month gap, but I don't think we'll ever get that lucky again

Haha exactly I'm guessing that by the end of february the AO41 will be released March being the latest.

[ldrd007]

Hello!!
Really enjoying PC 2 and its DLCs.

Where can I find the campaign trees for the DLCs?

Regards,

David

[Kerensky]

Hello!!
Really enjoying PC 2 and its DLCs.

Where can I find the campaign trees for the DLCs?

Regards,

David

viewtopic.php?f=464&t=100028

Specifically, the links to user made campaign trees at the very bottom of the first post.

[ldrd007]

Thank you!!

I am a huge fan of PG, PC and PC2. You have done a great work with both PC!!